Post by: jtwodogs on March 09, 2009, 10:39:12 AM
1. Ed Rayle barrel.
2. Colerain (spelling?).
If anyone has had either good or bad experience with either
Post by: jbullard1 on March 09, 2009, 01:17:12 PM
Quote from: "jack simpson"
How would everyone rate the quality of say an
1. Ed Rayle barrel.
2. Colerain (spelling?).
If anyone has had either good or bad experience with either
Top of the line
Post by: Chairslayer on March 09, 2009, 01:42:46 PM
Post by: riverrat on March 09, 2009, 02:22:58 PM
Quote from: "jbullard1"
Quote from: "jack simpson"How would everyone rate the quality of say an
1. Ed Rayle barrel.
2. Colerain (spelling?).
If anyone has had either good or bad experience with either
Top of the line
They are both great barrels but I wouldn't call them top of the line.
#1 sought after custom barrel would be a Getz...!
#2 sought after barrel would be a Rice.
Post by: nessy357 on March 09, 2009, 10:14:39 PM
Cheers Bob.
Post by: rollingb on March 09, 2009, 10:22:13 PM
Quote from: "nessy357"
I have a 50 cal Jeager, with an Ed Rayl barrel,wide lands, deep round button rifling. It shot a 2 5/8" - 3 hole group @ 200yds ;) but I would recommend the Ed Rayle.
Cheers Bob.
WOW!!!!! :shock:
Were ya shooting roundballs?
Post by: nessy357 on March 09, 2009, 10:44:10 PM
I shot 4 times , the top hole in the 8 ring , I pulled the shot
Had to quit shooting after 4 shots ,(fog rolled in )
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v309/nessy357/targets003.jpg)
Post by: Uncle Russ on March 09, 2009, 11:52:46 PM
Uncle Russ...
Post by: Captchee on March 10, 2009, 09:28:29 AM
IMO colerian and GM are more like able associates .
ed should be up there with Getz and Rice
now if you speaking of a barrel made by old man Getz or Rice , now thats another subject all to gether as IMO those are the barrels that are sought after
Post by: Mike R on March 10, 2009, 10:01:08 AM
Post by: Uncle Russ on March 10, 2009, 10:26:50 AM
FWIW: I don't have, and will never have, the amount of experience working with Muzzleloaders that some of you fellows have, but as a working Gunsmith for several years, an instructor at Colorado School of Trades, and having built more than just a few modern "race rifles" for Long Range Silhouette, I can assure you the subject of "best barrel" has never been completely resolved in any shooting sport.....
There are many different favorites, many for the same reasons Mike mentioned, but actually being better is strictly subjective.
Personally, I would think of this as a bonus, as it gives each of us the right to have a preference.
Uncle Russ...
Post by: rollingb on March 10, 2009, 12:02:19 PM
Quote from: "Mike R"
all of the current barrels shoot better than most of us can. I have or had barrels made by Colerain, Getz, Rice, Longhammock, Green River [extinct, but fine], Rayl [pistol], Numerich [extinct], Sharon [extinct] and others. Some of the best groups I have ever seen were shot with Green Mountain, Green River and Numerich barrels. The gunsmith who made my favorite .50 longrifle used a 44" Colerain swamped and he uses an identical one to win competitions--as does his son. I would not worry too much about the barrel. Some makers like one brand over another because some take less work to finish than others from the factory--that does not affect accuracy unless the maker screws up the crown. Both Colerain and Getz [different cos] claim they make the old Bob Paris barrels. My old cheap Numerich .36 barrel would shoot 1" grps at 100 yds with a tang peep sight. I have yet to find that accurate a load for a couple of my big name barrels.
Mike, I agree with ya, when you say "currently made barrels shoot better than most of us can".
I think each (individual) riflegun's "fit, lock time, and load" are 3 major factors that often influence just how well an indidvidual muzzleloader barrel shoots for us.
Of course I'm "legaly blind",... so I dunno for sure. :laffing
Nessy,... that's some "fine shooting" indeed. :hey-hey
Post by: nessy357 on March 10, 2009, 12:11:54 PM
closer to 4 5/8" on the bottom 3. also it was shot benched, not O/H as the target is marked.Back to the subject,an barrels, I haven't heard a bad thing about Colerain, I wouldn't hesitate to buy one.
Jack what rifle were you planning on getting ?
Cheers Bob.
Post by: Hank in WV on March 10, 2009, 05:01:07 PM
Post by: jtwodogs on March 11, 2009, 07:58:38 AM
Quote from: "nessy357"
Thanks, I was going by memory and got the group size wrong
Back to the subject,an barrels, I haven't heard a bad thing about Colerain, I wouldn't hesitate to buy one.
Jack what rifle were you planning on getting ?
Cheers Bob.
Well for now was just sizing up barrel options. I know Mr. Rayle did a great job on referbing. my antique, he took it from an unusable .36 (rusted from all the years of inattention) to a nice shiny .40, still have not rung it out at the range though. but I am sure with what little bit I have shot it, that it will do fine. I will probably just go with one of his barrels, I had just heard through the grape vine that there was a small supply of cheap colerain barrels available.
Thanks guys for your always helpful insights.
jack
Post by: Stryker on March 11, 2009, 09:41:38 AM
Post by: Mike R on March 12, 2009, 08:59:31 AM
Quote from: "Stryker"
I have 2 Rice, a Colerain and a GM. They all shoot better than I can hold them. I will say I am surprised at all the GM barrels I see on competition rifles at Friendship. Maybe those folks know something we don't.
for competitive target shooting it is hard to beat a heavy straight octagon barrel made by any of several companies. GM makes a good barrel. I was present [twice] when a gunmaker friend delivered new rifles to clients at his shop/range. He has them shoot them on site to check them out--both had GM barrels, one a .45 and other a .50. With brand new guns and guessed at 1st loads, both shooters made cloverleaf groups at 50 yds.
Post by: IronDawg on March 14, 2009, 05:50:50 PM
In Fact I thought all five rifles I was playin with shot extremely well and were VERY accurate.
As far as sought after?? This is my so. mo. And this lil baby has a 48" Swamped barrel made by ol man Rice hisself....... This rifle with this barrel in my very INEXPERIENCED knowledge and short amount of time I've been in to flintlocks is ...well I dunno if it can be beat or not. not enough experience to say that.......... what I do know is it's an absolute tack driver. And thats comin from a fella thats peered down a many a centerfire at some extremely far away targets.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z285/lancecoleman/flinter.jpg)
But I'm gonna gamble and say Barrel choice is gonna be like bow choice with trad bowhunters........ ask 30 people and you'll get 28 different answers.
Post by: jtwodogs on March 14, 2009, 10:21:38 PM
Post by: riverrat on March 15, 2009, 06:32:53 PM
Quote from: "Captchee"
That's not what I am hearing at the CLA shows. John Getz is probably making the best barrels ever.
now if you speaking of a barrel made by old man Getz or Rice , now thats another subject all to gether as IMO those are the barrels that are sought after
Post by: Mule Brain on March 16, 2009, 01:25:17 PM
I know there are many good barrel manufactures, but this just goes to show you that cheap can work as well!
I would bank more on round ball size, rate of twist, lube, powder measure, patch size etc....