Traditional Muzzleloading Association
Shooting Traditional Firearms and Weapons => General Interest => Topic started by: RobD on March 24, 2013, 05:48:20 PM
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anyone use this touch hole method of cleaning out a flinter barrel?
(http://www.trackofthewolf.com/imgPart/flush-flint_0.jpg)
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anyone use this touch hole method of cleaning out a flinter barrel?
(http://www.trackofthewolf.com/imgPart/flush-flint_0.jpg)
I've got one around here somewhere,.... never could get it to work without leaking.
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Been using it for years and have had very good luck with it.
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Been using it for years and have had very good luck with it.
Maybe I just got a bad one.
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Been using it for years and have had very good luck with it.
Maybe I just got a bad one.
It couldn't be operator error... no way! lol
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Been using it for years and have had very good luck with it.
Maybe I just got a bad one. :laffing
I bought it "used", so it might be "sprung" or something.
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Is the "o" ring in good shape. It must be flexible and no cracks. Make sure it is square against the barrel also.
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so, at least for most of you folks, this thing does work as advertised ... ?
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Is the "o" ring in good shape. It must be flexible and no cracks. Make sure it is square against the barrel also.
If I remember right,... that was the problem I was having, which caused it to leak. :shock:
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The previous owner might have tried tightening it up with Vise-Grips, or something.
You mean you shouldn't ? :lol:
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The previous owner might have tried tightening it up with Vise-Grips, or something.
You mean you shouldn't ? :lol:
I don't think so.
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I had one, didn't like the way it worked. I ended up plugging the touch hole with a toothpick, pouring the barrel full of water(put a paper towel held on with a spring clamp under the touch hole to catch any drips), letting it set for 15-30 minutes, dumped the black water out, filling one more time to rinse, run some cleaning patches down the bore, dry the barrel, oil and put it up.
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I've got one but the wood on the opposite side of the stock prevents it from setting square over the touch hole. I just use a toothpick and wrap the breach with a rag to control the outflow of cleaning solution.
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I've got one but the wood on the opposite side of the stock prevents it from setting square over the touch hole. I just use a toothpick and wrap the breach with a rag to control the outflow of cleaning solution.
good point ... that would most likely be a problem with my pedersoli kentucky.
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I've got one but the wood on the opposite side of the stock prevents it from setting square over the touch hole. I just use a toothpick and wrap the breach with a rag to control the outflow of cleaning solution.
Sir Michael, I had the same problem on one of my rifles. Try filing some of the brass off opposite the touchhole side to allow it to sit down over the barrel a little lower.
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Been using mine for several yrs now with no problems. I like it well enough that when it wears out I'll get another
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I've used one for a few years now and it works fine.
Storm
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Hank, the biggest problem I have with the design is that the brass bearing surface opposite the flush tube does not extend down below the center line of the flush tube resulting in an angular alignment which leaves a gap and the resultant leak. That and it is not wide enough to span the barrel and stock opposite the breach. I ran across a small C-clamp a while back that looked like it could be modified to work but I can't remember where and don't have the inclination now to try making a version that will fit my guns.
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i never could get mine to stay tight either. finally put it on a trade blanket.
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on my pedersoli kentucky, the flat side opposite the touch hole has about 3/16" showing. dunno if that's enuf for the flint flush to grab and stabilize it whilst the "O" ring is well seated on the hole.
(http://i.imgur.com/ldzJ1HR.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/d8C99QU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/sTAkpMK.jpg)
perhaps the clamp can be modified, extended on the foot side to allow a more secure purchase on the lock plate (with maybe a bit of stiff leather padding?) ...
(http://i.imgur.com/G7UmOBJ.jpg)
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Sir Michael, looks like someone had the same idea that I did but they over did it a little.
rfd, I don't think one of these will work for you because of the screw slot across the face of the vent. Looks like a leaker for sure.
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... rfd, I don't think one of these will work for you because of the screw slot across the face of the vent. Looks like a leaker for sure.
didn't focus on that - yer right hank!
if the screw slot was parallel to the barrel and the "O" ring more than covered the touch hole insert, it would work.
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rfd, that fix should work if the distance between the face of the screw and the opposite bearing surface is sufficient. For my application it isn't. If leakage is a problem a different type or size of o-ring or gasket should be able to solve the problem. The key seems to be square alignment and not over tightening.
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on my pedersoli kentucky, the flat side opposite the touch hole has about 3/16" showing. dunno if that's enuf for the flint flush to grab and stabilize it whilst the "O" ring is well seated on the hole.
(http://i.imgur.com/ldzJ1HR.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/d8C99QU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/sTAkpMK.jpg)
perhaps the clamp can be modified, extended on the foot side to allow a more secure purchase on the lock plate (with maybe a bit of stiff leather padding?) ...
(http://i.imgur.com/G7UmOBJ.jpg)
I have one of these, they are perfect for cleaning out at the kitchen sink without getting crap all over the place :)
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I have one of these, they are perfect for cleaning out at the kitchen sink without getting crap all over the place :)
yeah, right - i can't wait to deface my flinter.
i'll pass on the flint flush.
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Also if you dont have the space to clamp it then you can get a square file and notch the wood :shock:
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:Doh!
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the better answer for me has been the dutch mm clean. no big muss, no big fuss, and "99.999%" water free.
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Update from just getting one for the GPR.
1. It is designed/works best with the lock off. (Since I pull the lock to scrub it out w/ a toothbrush, that's fine w/ me)
2. It now comes w/ a little knurled ring next to the O-ring itself so as to snug that O-ring forward and against the barrel. Snug it forward before tightening the bolt portion.
3. Slotted vent-hole liners are no problem. The O-ring easily covers the slot.
4. Mine works fine even with a [very slight] cant due to the stock/wood on the opposite side. Filing off a bit of the that metal to seat lower is a super idea.
5. Bottom Line: It works well -- especially with that dratted patent breech design which is otherwise a bear to fully clean out each session.
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Toothpicks are cheap .....
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"Swab" cleaning with a sealed bore (toothpick in vent) is
always an option, but any hydraulic pressure created by
having actual fluid in that bore will blow the toothpick out.
Actual "flush" cleaning requires fluid flow that can only be
obtained by pulling the barrel entirely, or by a clamp/tube
assembly such as the TOTW flush clamp.
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Mine works on about half my flintlocks. On some guns the wood on the off side prevents aligning the gizmo squarely and over the vent. I don't use it any more. Toothpicks and water now. There are a lot of cutsie ideas out there that make sorta sense when you buy them, but later they prove merely to be a means of extracting money from your wallet. It's happened to me once or twice.
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Doe yours have the knurled nut right next to the O-ring -- so that you can effectively
push the O-ring further forward -- and effectively seal even an offset interface/joint ?
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Mine leaks, so I no longer try to use it. Tooth picks are cheap and do the the job. I pull the lock insert toothpick, fill bore with warm soapy water and stand gun in corner outside while i go and clean the lock. Afterwards dump the water and swab until dry. That process has worked for me for years. A bottom scraper is a better investment.
F.
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A bottom scraper is a better investment...
Got one. The ability to simply stutter-pump the last 6" of a barrel to flush out the bottom of a patent breech makes the pain of cleanup -- even with a scraper -- go completely away.
Patent breech patch come out spotless first time.
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Toothpicks are cheap .....
Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"Swab" cleaning with a sealed bore (toothpick in vent) is
always an option, but any hydraulic pressure created by
having actual fluid in that bore will blow the toothpick out.
quote] 30 years of flintlock cleaning and never had a blowout but then What's the big deal if one got one?
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Been using one for several years now myself. I change my o-ring every once in a while. It works good for me.