Post by: Breakfast Boy on November 27, 2010, 12:30:42 PM
I have a .54 Lyman GPR and was shooting it yesterday. It shoots great and I have no complaints, love that gun. However, when I bought it years ago I switched out the nipple with one that has a bigger hole. Well, I finally needed to buy some new caps and bought some No. 11 caps like the manual said. The caps I bought (Winchester brand from Wal-Mart) fit really loose and come off easily when I cock the hammer. They shoot fine, but I could see a cap coming off if I have a quick shot while hunting and am in a hurry. What size caps should I be getting, or what nipple should I get to replace the one I have? I only have the nipple that's on the gun, so wouldn't mind getting a different one anyway.
Also, I'm currently shooting .530 round balls and pre-lubed patches that Traditions makes. I would like to go to a more "traditional" patch. What should I be using and where do you buy it?
Thanks in advance for the help fellas.
-Jameson
Post by: Gordon H.Kemp on November 27, 2010, 01:01:33 PM
Post by: Firewalker on November 27, 2010, 01:13:13 PM
Look here for RLP-S
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categorie ... =25&Page=2 (http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/TableList.aspx?catID=14&subID=171&styleID=785&PageSize=25&Page=2)
Track is pretty good to deal with, maybe not always the cheapest, but reliable in my experience over the last 30 years.
As for patching. What I use is pillow ticking. You can buy cotton pillow ticking at a fabric store. Wash it and tear into strips. I don't know what thickness it is and don't really care. Its worked for me with a 530 RB for over 30 years.
You can buy Ox Yoke Wonder Lube or T/C Bore butter or make your own. I get a small brick of bee's wax from a friend, but you can buy it at a craft store.
Mix the bee's wax with olive oil. Start with 60% wax, 40% oil. Melt it and let it solidify. You may have to remelt and add wax or oil to get the right consistency. It should be the consistency of Crisco. I don't use Crisco because it gets rancid and stinks.
Take the mixture on a putty knife and smear it on a strip of ticking so it well coated and then roll up the ticking and nuke it for a few seconds to melt the wax thoroughly into the ticking.
You can cut the ticking off at the muzzle as you load or use a loading block.
Look here
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categorie ... tyleID=978 (http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/TableList.aspx?catID=1&subID=193&styleID=978)
You don't have to buy these you can make them.
And there you go.
Not the only way to do it for sure, but its the way I've done it for many, many years.
Some people use some form of liquid patch lube and there are about 2017 different recipes for it. I've found it works very well in the summer, but not well in the winter as it freezes.
So there is some info you got by coming to the TMA.
I would encourage you to become a member, its a worthy organization.
Shoot a lot, its fun.
Post by: Sean McKown on November 27, 2010, 02:18:35 PM
I use a mix of olive oil and beeswax. I dont buy lubed patches, but do use precut most of the time. I also have some pillow ticking in strips for cutting at the muzzle with spit for lube.
You will learn that most of this is ALL trial and error. What one gun loves for powder,patch a, loads, another may not shoot worth a darn.
Post by: Breakfast Boy on November 27, 2010, 02:32:06 PM
And Firewalker, I will be sending my dues in soon. I really like the way the TMA seems "grass roots".
Post by: Riley/MN on November 27, 2010, 02:48:07 PM
Quote from: "Breakfast Boy"
And Firewalker, I will be sending my dues in soon. I really like the way the TMA seems "grass roots".
Post by: Fletcher on November 27, 2010, 05:46:54 PM
Post by: pathfinder on November 27, 2010, 08:30:51 PM
Same with my .58 Hawkins,started at 115 grs 2f,now 75 3f. Was built for the NMLRA 200yard silloutte shoot,once hit all 4 bears, MY claim to fame!
Post by: Roaddog on November 28, 2010, 06:42:15 AM
Post by: Breakfast Boy on November 28, 2010, 07:59:23 AM
Quote from: "Roaddog"
I would try a difrent brand of cap. CCI, Remington,and so on. They all can be #11 but they all will be slitely difrent size.
I wondered about that. It seems the Remington caps I had before were No. 11 and fit fine.
Thanks everyone for the help. Now to get me some beeswax and pillow ticking...
Post by: Captchee on November 28, 2010, 11:23:06 AM
1) yes the nipple threads will be metric .
But what a lot of folks don’t realize is that all the measurements on the factory nipples are metric to include the neck size .
This excludes however aftermarket nipples which are for the most part turned to our standard system then threaded with metric threads .
2) the thing to remember is that caps come in 2 sized #10 and #11 . . #10 caps were normally at one time used in revolver pistols . Most folks don’t realize this because the #11 are the most common seen today .
Though I did see a bunch of #10 for sale down at sportsman’s about a year ago
You also can get nipples that are different in the length of the necks .
3) going to a nipple with a larger hole does 2 things
a) it reduces it allows more fire through the nipple . But it also reduces the pressure of that fire . Think of it as a a spray nozzle on your garden hose . The smaller the hole , the stronger the stream while at the same time restricting the amount of water that can go through it . Same thing with the nipple
b) the same thing happens in reverse . A smaller hole allows less bore pressure to be vented
So with the above I have to ask how old the nipple is that you are using . If it’s a newer nipple recently bout it probably for a # 11 cap .
Thus the issue is Winchesters #11 sizing .
So all you need to do is lightly pinch the cap .. Then push it down on the nipple with your thumb .
This will hold it on you nipple and and make it far less likely to fall off.
asl to patchs and lubes
i use only pillow ticking and cut my patchs at the muzzle .
for lube i use spit . thats it nothing more . be it for target shooting or hunting
Post by: Breakfast Boy on November 28, 2010, 11:32:39 AM
Post by: Gordon H.Kemp on November 28, 2010, 05:17:38 PM
Post by: Captchee on November 28, 2010, 05:37:40 PM
remember that on a revolver there is no flash cup . thus when the cap is hit you get a large flash going all around as the cap opens up . really it shouldnt make any diffrance if the cap is crimped or not .
as to thumb pressure i doubt that a person could generated the lbs per sqI to ignight a cap .
a hard wood dowel might /can do that if the dowel is struck but a person would have to be pushing mighty had to do it by pushing .
now that being said . i know folk who do alot of target shoot who set thier caps with the hammer by placing the cap on the nipple , then letting the hammer down on the nipple . then applying force aginst the cocking dog of the hammer so as to seat the cap fully to the nipple .
again one would have to put a very large amount of pressuer in order to give the Lb per sq inch to get the cap to go off .
much more then could be generated in a normal application .
but it could be done if one strick the hammer with another object
now that all being said . proper gun safty should allways be a concern . loaded or unloaded . the barrel should allways be in a safe derection
Post by: Captchee on November 28, 2010, 06:19:02 PM
i just went out in the shop and applied 300LBS to a #11 CCI cap . the cap was crushed completely flat.
did not go off .
taking a bar i was able to set that same cap off very easly by lightly striking it even after it was flat as a piece of paper .
again striking is the key
Post by: greyhunter on November 28, 2010, 07:11:51 PM
Post by: Gordon H.Kemp on November 28, 2010, 07:45:59 PM
Post by: Captchee on November 28, 2010, 08:31:55 PM
Part of that was that I got a free all expense paid trip to the yearly nation flooring exposé.
Think of it as the private sponsors car show held each year where the car companies come out and show what they are working on as well as the new models for the next year
Now here is the funny part . DuPont had a a sub floor material that they were working on . The sign out front of the booth said .
: what weighs more on your floor ?
There was a picture of a sexy lady in high heals standing nest to this big elephant..
The answer . Well its that sexy lady . Her weight generates un real compression values when confined to the ¼ x ¼ heal of her shoe . Far more then that elephant generates with its weight dispersed across its feet .
They were actually going to use that photo as a sales gimmick . . They had piles on piles of tri folds made up with the photo and the question on the front .
I think probably someone finally realized it might not be to good of a comparison LOL
Anyway funny story . hasn’t got anything to do with anything really LOL
Post by: 2 Locks on November 28, 2010, 09:39:23 PM
http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/muzz ... -rifle.php (http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/muzzle-loaders/great-plains-rifle.php)
Scroll down to find the parts button. I don't know how Lyman's stainless steel nipples compare to TOW's, but it is a no-brainer to get a nipple that fits as intended for that gun.
Post by: SAWMA on November 29, 2010, 10:41:54 AM
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