Traditional Muzzleloading Association
The Center of Camp => Camping Gear and Campfire Cooking => Topic started by: 45flint on January 28, 2009, 07:23:06 PM
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I've heard of having flint,steel and char in a container , but I've heard the term "tinder box", are they one and the same ?
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Yes, I would say so. Now, that all depends on who you talk to. On here...I believe most would agree....start talking "tinder" to outsiders and such....they might be apt to believe the "tinder" is what we call "tow".
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I just refer to my kit as "fireworks." Buckskin bag with a hank of tow in the bottom, and my metal box holding steel, flint, and char.
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I call mine a "Strike A Light" box. I dunno what's traditional but in my strike a light there are a fire steel, a flint chard, a burning glass, char cloth, and some red cedar bark for tinder.
The fire steel and flint make sparks, the burning glass concentrates sunlight, the char cloth catches the spark and the tinder catches fire from the ember in the char cloth.
Your mileage, as always, may vary.
Three Hawks
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Is not a tinderbox that half pistol looking thing that has a rocklock and trigger that sits above a small box full of tinder? kinds like the rich womans lighter for her kitchen?
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When I was selling antiques a tinder box was a tin container about 5 inches round that had a socket for a candle on top.
You opened it up to access your flint, steel and "tinder" and a candle stub.
Sold quite a few of them.
Wish I had a picture!
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Thanks Paul, so whats the rig I talked about called? anybody got a clue?
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Is not a tinderbox that half pistol looking thing that has a rocklock and trigger that sits above a small box full of tinder? kinds like the rich womans lighter for her kitchen?
I'm not sure of what you're describing here Beav but I believe a tender box is just that, a place to store "tender" for making a fire.
When I hear the term "Tinderbox" my mind goes back to my young days in the early 1940's and my Great Aunt, who was the oldest living member on my father's side at 102 years old when she finally passed on.
She often described the metal box containing her "strike-anywhere" matches, as a tinderbox....She kept her "tinderbox" on the wall in the kitchen to light her WARM MORNING Kitchen stove which was a very nice old porcelain covered wood stove with really large twin ovens, a side reservoir for water on each end, and two over head warming ovens....now that was a stove, and it was often used to heat the entire house in the winter time, as the fireplaces were just to inefficient in that day.
I believe a tinderbox is about anything used to store your flint and steel, along with anything else you may use to start your fire such as tow, or flax seed, or sap splinters.
Uncle Russ...
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As it is generally used today, a "tinderbox" is the container you carry your flint/striker/char in. And most things being sold as "tinderboxes" are actually tobacco tins - like those oval brass ones with a magnifying lens in the lid. Those are "tobacco" containers.
A true tinderbox held bits of charred punky wood in it. Sometimes your flint/steel were also kept in there. You struck sparks down into that "tinderbox" until that charred wood caught a spark. You then fished that ember out and started your fire. And you also then put the lid back on your "tinderbox" to smother out any embers still burning in it.
A lot of the early "tinderboxes" were true wood boxes - carved out of a thick board with a fairly tight fitting lid to set down in them. That tight fitting lid put out any still burning embers inside it, and saved that charred wood bits for the next time you needed to start a fire. When you needed to refill your "tinderbox", you fished some coals out of your current fire, put them in that "tinderbox", and closed it up. Those coals would then smother and go out - and be ready for you the next time. The wood tinderboxes usually ended up pretty "charred" or blackened on the inside.
The metal "tinderboxes" worked the same way - just in a tin container instead of wood. They often had an extra plate to set down inside to snuff out burning embers. And often had a socket on top for a candle. You stored your flint/steel inside but on top of that snuffing plate. So you had everything in one container to start a fire and get that candle lit.
Those pistol shaped items were just a mechanical flint striler. It worked just like the lock on your flintlock gun. But the "pan" was often very deep - to hold your charred bits of wood to catch the sparks. And many times, the "barrel" was hinged and a candle was stored inside it. Sometimes that candle was already in a socket that swiveled up, other times it was just stored there to be taken out and set down in a socket attached to the "pistol" somewhere on the side. They usually also had a pair of legs under the "barrel" to hold it upright. CVA or Dixie used to sell kits to make into a small one of these. I picked one up at a garage sale years ago, but I need to get or make a trigger for it. The rest is all there. One of these --- projects ---- to tinker on sometime.
So those oval brass containers are actually Tobacco containers, but many people use them to hold their fire starting kit. They work very well for that.
Just my humble thoughts to share, and best used in conjunction with your own research.
Mikey - that grumpy ol' German blacksmith out in the Hinterlands
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I have not seen description or picture of a original tobacco box with burning glass in brass. Originals are steel or Japanned.
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Beav - I think this is what you are talking about. Its called a tinder lighter ca. 1690-1710
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