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Traditional Firearms => Flintlock Long Guns => Topic started by: toot on September 27, 2019, 10:04:45 AM

Title: painted guns
Post by: toot on September 27, 2019, 10:04:45 AM
what was the purpose of red painted stocks on a FUZZE FINN trade musket?
Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: Einsiedler on September 27, 2019, 08:09:49 PM
Trade gun

As far as I know it was to catch the eye of "les Sauvages”.

Least thats what I suspect with all the other painted trade guns.

Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: Ohio Joe on September 27, 2019, 08:30:34 PM
Trade gun

As far as I know it was to catch the eye of "les Sauvages”.

Least thats what I suspect with all the other painted trade guns.

I can understand this. Kind'a like the "bling" of the day back then.  :shake
Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: toot on November 02, 2019, 07:53:33 AM
was there any difference in a RED one and a BLUE ONE?? because those were the only two colors that seem to have been used?? CHIEF, VERSES SUB CHIEF? do any period pictures of them exist?
Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: toot on December 25, 2019, 12:38:55 PM
any one got input on red verses blue??
Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: Semisane on December 25, 2019, 07:15:05 PM
Some tribes were Republicans, some Democrat. Hence, red and blue.
Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: Hank in WV on December 25, 2019, 10:01:42 PM
 :lol sign
Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: Uncle Russ on December 26, 2019, 05:19:46 AM
Some tribes were Republicans, some Democrat. Hence, red and blue.

My goodness! The things we learn as we go through life:  :luff:

I needed that Semisane!

 :lol sign :lol sign    :bow
Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: Winter Hawk on December 26, 2019, 04:56:00 PM
Hoo boy, my wife almost rolled out of bed when I read that to her! I like how you think....  :toast  :luff:

~Kees~
Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: chuckpa on December 26, 2019, 05:06:46 PM
there were some examples of rifles that were also painted some folks refer to them as barn guns or poor boys. For awhile there were some reproductions made and sold at Dixons in Kempton Pa.
Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: waksupi on December 30, 2019, 10:59:46 AM
One of the collectors I worked with years ago had an original gun that was a bright international orange. I don't think it had faded from red. Butt ugly to my eye.
Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: rollingb on December 30, 2019, 12:20:49 PM
One of the collectors I worked with years ago had an original gun that was a bright international orange. I don't think it had faded from red. Butt ugly to my eye.

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Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: Ohio Joe on December 30, 2019, 03:46:34 PM
One of the collectors I worked with years ago had an original gun that was a bright international orange. I don't think it had faded from red. Butt ugly to my eye.

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Oh my gosh, lets not give Game & Parks any ideas requiring us to use hunter orange muzzleloading rifles... :lol sign

I shouldn't poke fun about this - in today's world, it could happen...  :o
Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: Oldetexian on December 30, 2019, 05:12:23 PM
One of the collectors I worked with years ago had an original gun that was a bright international orange. I don't think it had faded from red. Butt ugly to my eye.

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Now you fellas done gone and got me scaired... :lol sign Givin' them idiots ideas is mitey dangerous, I be thinking...

Oh my gosh, lets not give Game & Parks any ideas requiring us to use hunter orange muzzleloading rifles... :lol sign

I shouldn't poke fun about this - in today's world, it could happen...  :o
Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: Spotted Bull on December 30, 2019, 09:38:05 PM
If I had the cash Id buy this one in a minute!!

https://claysmithguns.com/trade_gun_West.htm

Or this one!

https://claysmithguns.com/trade_gun_Redvine.htm
Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: Ohio Joe on December 31, 2019, 07:24:24 AM
Bull, to my eye, those look good. Way better then the other colors we've seen... I wouldn't mind having those myself.
Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: Spotted Bull on December 31, 2019, 07:46:02 AM
I believe that the first one is a replica of one held by a Native American in this painting, 'The Death of General Wolfe' by Benjamin West.

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Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: Ohio Joe on December 31, 2019, 12:35:59 PM
Very well could be. Enlarging the screen, it looks right.
Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: Mad Irish Jack on December 31, 2019, 01:53:33 PM
I did some researching on them thar "Semisanes" tribe ol' Uncle Russ mentioned. They be scattered all across the USofA. And, y'all don't need to be borned into their tribe. They accept y'all if'n you quality with their likings. I qualified yeas back and was recently notified by an unmentionable source. Ain't no benefits, just braggin' rights, if'n ya wants to let folks know about ya ( if'n they weren't awares already).
Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: toot on February 04, 2020, 02:04:20 PM
thanks for the come back. thank GOD that there are more RED ones than blue! hope I got it right, RED REPUBLICAN? hope so?
Title: painted guns
Post by: RobD on February 26, 2020, 09:15:51 AM
as history reports, there were lotsa different colors and hues of colors used with painted stocks, that included shades of yellow and green, too.  it's clearly a personally subjective thing.  umm, thank you but no thank you - slapping on gaudy paint to hide any manner of wood grain may work for injuns but don't work for me.  ymmv. 
Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: Ohio Joe on February 26, 2020, 10:03:00 AM
I can't say as I would care for a painted stock, but I've never been one for "bling" so to speak... I guess I'd rather have a poor walnut stained stock then any painted stock... I do understand that back in the day (and today) some folks like the bright shiny stuff - but it isn't me... I'm a dull person I reckon... :shake
Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: Ohio Joe on February 26, 2020, 10:08:14 AM
Did the painted stocks represent which tribes the Native Americans were associated with (Blue for French, Red for English, and so forth)?
Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: Nessmuk on February 26, 2020, 12:14:17 PM
I asked a Native  American  friend of mine about this painting of weapons. After  querying  his elders, he stated many weapons (guns, bows, tomahawks, knives) were painted with colors of power. Red for fire or blood, blue for wind or breath. This was supposed  to  increase  their  power?
Title: Re: painted guns
Post by: Ohio Joe on February 26, 2020, 12:16:58 PM
I can see that. They are a very spiritual people.