Traditional Muzzleloading Association
Traditional Firearms => Flintlock Long Guns => Topic started by: Puffer on November 24, 2021, 10:55:36 AM
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Not "legal here" BUT I would LOVE to Have !!!! A " Halls 1817 Breach loader !!!
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OK, I give up, how come it is illegal to have in the Peoples' Republic of Washington???
Too high a capacity in the flash pan?
You're right, it is a beauty and I would like to have one also. But being in CA, I imagine it would be illegal here also.
Happy Thanksgiving, Jack.
John (Bigsmoke)
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By "not legal here",.... are you referring to where you live,... or,... here within the TMA?
There's absolutely nuthin' wrong with having, or, discussing pre-1900 flintlock breech loaders here at the TMA. :)
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But if the "match" is TMA Sanctioned Can They Be Used ????
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OK, I give up, how come it is illegal to have in the Peoples' Republic of Washington???
Too high a capacity in the flash pan?
You're right, it is a beauty and I would like to have one also. But being in CA, I imagine it would be illegal here also.
Happy Thanksgiving, Jack.
John (Bigsmoke)
it is legal in WA [no ffl req,]
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But if the "match" is TMA Sanctioned Can They Be Used ????
I can't imagine why not . It is a flint lock ignition and uses loose powder and ball does it not ? Sounds legal to me .
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But if the "match" is TMA Sanctioned Can They Be Used ????
Absolutely! :hairy
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If you can afford it, we'll let you shoot it (for a BIG donation to TMA, of course)!
~Kees~
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A breech loading rifle dates back to the American Revolution (Ferguson Rifle). IMHO, these rifles that were fed with a paper cartridge (or loose powder) at the breech end - and were in need of a prime (be it powder in the lock pan -or- cap on the nipple) I feel they should be allowed and not overlooked nor shut out by the TMA... Just my thoughts.
Yes, even the Percussion Sharps Rifle should be included in the group above.
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A breech loading rifle dates back to the American Revolution (Ferguson Rifle). IMHO, these rifles that were fed with a paper cartridge (or loose powder) at the breech end - and were in need of a prime (be it powder in the lock pan -or- cap on the nipple) I feel they should be allowed and not overlooked nor shut out by the TMA... Just my thoughts.
Yes, even the Percussion Sharps Rifle should be included in the group above.
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AGREED!
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But if the "match" is TMA Sanctioned Can They Be Used ????
I would say ... sorry, but no - it's not a true traditional side lock muzzleloader. If allowed, next thing ya know there'll be competitors (like me!) with rollers and Sharps. :laffing
ALL good guns, but we got to draw the line at both traditional and muzzleloader.
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A breech loading rifle dates back to the American Revolution (Ferguson Rifle). IMHO, these rifles that were fed with a paper cartridge (or loose powder) at the breech end - and were in need of a prime (be it powder in the lock pan -or- cap on the nipple) I feel they should be allowed and not overlooked nor shut out by the TMA... Just my thoughts.
Yes, even the Percussion Sharps Rifle should be included in the group above.
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I agree! :hairy
Anyone wanting to put on a TMA sanctioned shooting match, can simply limit the Sharps percussion breech loading rifle to patched round ball ammo,.... I've yet to see conical bullets allowed in ANY pre-1840 shooting match.
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But if the "match" is TMA Sanctioned Can They Be Used ????
I would say ... sorry, but no - it's not a true traditional side lock muzzleloader. If allowed, next thing ya know there'll be competitors (like me!) with rollers and Sharps. :laffing
ALL good guns, but we got to draw the line at both traditional and muzzleloader.
I seem to recall that maybe Pedersoli or one of the other Italian manufacturers did put out a Remington style rolling block with a nipple instead of a firing pin back some time ago. I am thinking that was in the 1970's or 1980's. I don't think that gun ever really caught on.
John (Bigsmoke)
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;banghead;
I seem to recall that maybe Pedersoli or one of the other Italian manufacturers did put out a Remington style rolling block with a nipple instead of a firing pin back some time ago. I am thinking that was in the 1970's or 1980's. I don't think that gun ever really caught on.
John (Bigsmoke)
That they did!
But the pre-1900 design clause in our TMA Mission Statement excludes them as being acceptable.
I'm a little surprised the British Ferguson breech loading rifle hasn't been mentioned along with the Hall's breech loader yet. :)
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;banghead;
I seem to recall that maybe Pedersoli or one of the other Italian manufacturers did put out a Remington style rolling block with a nipple instead of a firing pin back some time ago. I am thinking that was in the 1970's or 1980's. I don't think that gun ever really caught on.
John (Bigsmoke)
That they did!
But the pre-1900 design clause in our TMA Mission Statement excludes them as being acceptable.
I'm a little surprised the British Ferguson breech loading rifle hasn't been mentioned along with the Hall's breech loader yet. :)
I mentioned the Ferguson Rifle right off the bat in my post above. :bl th up
IMHO, the TMA is an awareness organization for the most part... We basically operate as a forum only. If we open the forum to breech loading black powder firearms such as the; Ferguson / Halls / Sharps - (flint & percussion ignition breech loaders,,, we may find a few more followers who also shoot the traditional style muzzle loading firearms...
In reality, I don't see anyone busting down the doors to get into the TMA - but we may have some by-passers who have an interest in the "flint & percussion ignition breech loaders" that may come in (along with their muzzle loading firearms) simply because they have recognition of both in the time period we cover with our cutoff date of, 1900...
We are still first and foremost traditional muzzle loading. To deny the idea & thoughts that flint & percussion ignition breech loaders (that existed along side traditional muzzle loading firearms,,, is (IMHO) to deny they existed at all...
Remember, conical bullets have been around a very long time. The Civil War was fought with many a conical bullet firearms... There is no 1840 cut off date to the TMA. That cutoff date only exist related to the Fur Trade Days of Rendezvous of where patch and ball & ball and wadding existed as common...
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I mentioned the Ferguson Rifle right off the bat in my post above. :bl th up
I stand corrected. :hairy