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Traditional Firearms => Flintlock Long Guns => Topic started by: RobD on February 18, 2017, 06:45:17 AM

Title: the "bucks county" .40
Post by: RobD on February 18, 2017, 06:45:17 AM
no clue so far as to its maker, but the lock is a large siler and the barrel is an "A" weight swamped and 42", the trigger is a HAIR trigger - i kid you not! it's scary hairy!!  8lbs even in weight, unloaded.  

(http://i.imgur.com/Y7GqrqV.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/MfpDXrI.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/y2mkykD.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/m2RQ0pR.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/IFrzEBg.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Pbc5HmX.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/c2qDPLE.jpg)

got inspired and made a new bag w/patch knife for it ...
(http://i.imgur.com/2JcZVhn.jpg)
Title: Re: the "bucks county" .40
Post by: Keb on February 18, 2017, 07:28:33 AM
Looks good, Rob.
Title: Re: the "bucks county" .40
Post by: Ohio Joe on February 18, 2017, 07:59:11 AM
Rob, if the trigger is to hairy it's because of the angle the trigger blade is catching the sear. You could install a new trigger with less blade angle.

I know when I make rifles with hair triggers, I slant that trigger blade to the sear, and talk about hairy... You can get use to it, and find you really like it.  :bow

By the way, I often thought about coffin cornering the ends on one of those flared breech plug tangs, and never have. I was just visualizing that on your rifle,,, think it might be cool to do that some day on a build.
Title: Re: the "bucks county" .40
Post by: RobD on February 18, 2017, 08:02:12 AM
maybe a double set trigger can be retrofitted.  never did such a thing.
Title: Re: the "bucks county" .40
Post by: Roaddog on February 18, 2017, 08:15:03 AM
That is one good lookn rif :rt th le.
Title: Re: the "bucks county" .40
Post by: Ohio Joe on February 18, 2017, 08:20:54 AM
Quote from: "Rob D"
maybe a double set trigger can be retrofitted.  never did such a thing.

Very possible.

I was trying to get a look if that is a two piece set up with the trigger pinned an the plate screwed on?
Title: Re: the "bucks county" .40
Post by: RobD on February 18, 2017, 08:36:48 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/LF16elk.jpg)
Title: Re: the "bucks county" .40
Post by: Ohio Joe on February 18, 2017, 08:47:07 AM
Rob, take out the lock and see if there is a pin inside the mortise (which would be in line with the trigger) and should show in the opposite side of the lock panel... If there is, all you would need is a new trigger.
Title: Re: the "bucks county" .40
Post by: Ohio Joe on February 18, 2017, 08:52:29 AM
I also saw this one on Track of the Wolf site;

   Trigger Assembly, high bar Kentucky trigger, wax cast steel - Track of the Wolf  (https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/920/3/TR-KENT-HB)
Title: Re: the "bucks county" .40
Post by: RobD on February 18, 2017, 08:55:39 AM
sure looks like the trigger on this .40 !

joe, is a double set trigger a possible replacement for this gun?
Title: Re: the "bucks county" .40
Post by: Ohio Joe on February 18, 2017, 09:02:39 AM
Quote from: "Rob D"
sure looks like the trigger on this .40 !

joe, is a double set trigger a possible replacement for this gun?

I don't know without measuring, and of course comparing whats under that trigger plate. Here are some TOTW double set triggers;

   Double set, Kentucky rifle style triggers - Track of the Wolf  (https://www.trackofthewolf.com/List/Item.aspx/916/2)
Title: Re: the "bucks county" .40
Post by: RobD on February 18, 2017, 09:06:16 AM
yeah, those TOTW dst's are what i was lookin at.  gotta strip 'er out and measure at the least ...
Title: Re: the "bucks county" .40
Post by: Ohio Joe on February 18, 2017, 09:19:23 AM
Well, if I was 2000 miles closer to you, I'd come over and lend a hand.

At least when you get the trigger setup out that you have now, you can compare the slant on that blade with the one I posted.  Now, there is always the option of installing a set screw (if you file out the slant which I believe is there) and adjust the set screw to the single trigger pull you would be happy with)... Just an option.  :shake
Title: Re: the "bucks county" .40
Post by: Eric Krewson on February 18, 2017, 11:22:17 AM
When you put in a DST, straight up from the adjusting screw is about where you want the triggers to trip the sear. This position will tell you if you have enough room in your trigger guard bow to accommodate the DST assembly.

Your trigger guard is located to accommodate the single trigger and may not give you room for a DS. It looks like it is placed a little too far forward.

I would bet your trigger is pinned, you can make a new one easily or solder a piece on the top of the trigger bar to change the angle. I have soldered on extra metal a couple of times, it came out well.

Cold forging a trigger is kind'a fun, I have made all my single triggers so far.

Here are a couple of ones I just started and one I finished.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/homemadebecktriggers.jpg) (http://http)

Finished;

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/English%20Fowler/Triggerplateinfinished_zps1519ce78.jpg) (http://http)
Title: Re: the "bucks county" .40
Post by: Eric Krewson on February 18, 2017, 11:57:39 AM
If you decide to replace the trigger I have several I bought that I will never use, you are welcome to any of them for free. The fancy one might be a little small as I have filed on it a bit.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/selling%20stuff/triggers%20001_zpsx1qg5jce.jpg) (http://http)
Title: Re: the "bucks county" .40
Post by: Hanshi on February 18, 2017, 12:59:55 PM
I really like that rifle; very nice.  I would prefer to stay with a single trigger since that's what it was originally built with.  A new trigger should fix it right up.
Title: Re: the "bucks county" .40
Post by: Uncle Russ on February 18, 2017, 04:05:29 PM
Rod, you do have some great looking Muzzleloaders.
Every single one you have shown us is nothing short of eye candy.
And that is as it should be.

Ugly Muzzle loaders just ain't as much fun, certainly not as much fun as those elegant guns you have.

Sure hope you're doing better health wise.  :lt th

Uncle Russ...
Title: Re: the "bucks county" .40
Post by: Keb on February 19, 2017, 07:11:51 AM
Rob, The trigger may just be too tall not allowing the sear to completely engage in the full cock slot on the tumbler. This is not a safe condition IMHO. Check it for "slop". It needs some, not a lot but some.
Title: Re: the "bucks county" .40
Post by: RobD on February 21, 2017, 02:32:29 PM
thanx for all the help with this "work of art", folks.  i was smitten by its beauty, for sure.  haven't shot it yet, but the more i think about it was too much of an "impulse buy" and i'm more of a plain jane gun guy of .50's and above.  time to move it to the trading blanket and take a good hit on the price.  oh well.