Traditional Muzzleloading Association
Traditional Firearms => Flintlock Long Guns => Topic started by: RobD on August 08, 2017, 01:14:24 PM
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really was looking for a .40 when i did a trade to get back my jack garner (of TVM fame) .36 a few weeks ago. dunno the barrel or lock origins, but i'm sure it's prolly good gear. i pulled the barrel and breech plug and sent it off to bobby who will ream it out to .40 with 1:48 radius groove rifling. should take a few ounces off the current 7# weight and make for better offhand shooting ... i hope she'll be a shooter!
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(http://i.imgur.com/VdYsXX1.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/RSZgxBm.jpg)
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That's one lovely, trim rifle! And no antechamber to worry about! ;D ;D ;D
~WH~
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... And no antechamber to worry about! ;D ;D ;D
~WH~
:hairy :hairy :applaud :*:
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Yes sir, that is a very nice looking rifle for sure. Is that a 42 inch barrel on it, Rob?
Very nice! :hairy
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really was looking for a .40 when i did a trade to get back my jack garner (of TVM fame) .36 a few weeks ago. dunno the barrel or lock origins, but i'm sure it's prolly good gear. i pulled the barrel and breech plug and sent it off to bobby who will ream it out to .40 with 1:48 radius groove rifling. should take a few ounces off the current 7# weight and make for better offhand shooting ... i hope she'll be a shooter!
(http://i.imgur.com/UAHBC3f.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/VdYsXX1.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/RSZgxBm.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/SzHXCK2.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/KW2IJ55.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/rh94HsV.jpg)
I'm sure it will be. :hairy
What size of barrel did Jack put on that rifle?
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gents, that's a 42" barrel indeed. gonna come home a tad lighter and hopefully a tad easier for offhand.
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I've been thinking of getting my T-C .50 opened up to .54. I have had Ed Rayle do some barrel work for me in the past, may give him a call and see how much he would charge to do so. I remember that he told me that Thompson-Center sometimes drilled the sight mounting holes too deep and there was a chance of hitting one, but that was with a New Englander I thought of boring out to 20 gauge. I'll have to run a screw in as far as it will go and measure to see how deep it is.
~WH~
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gents, that's a 42" barrel indeed. gonna come home a tad lighter and hopefully a tad easier for offhand.
What's the diameter?
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gents, that's a 42" barrel indeed. gonna come home a tad lighter and hopefully a tad easier for offhand.
What's the diameter?
.820 across the flats.
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That's scary close to 13/16"! :laffing
~WH~
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That's scary close to 13/16"!
Knowing Winter Hawk, he probably did that in his head while I was looking for my "Mitutoyo Chart".
Actually it's closer to 53/64 ....lol
Color me green with envy! :P
You guys have all these nice, really handsome rifles, and all I have is some old something I'm working on, trying to get it to shoot.
Rob, you have shown us some rifles here that I'd actually be scared to death to hunt with, totally 'fraid I'd scratch, or put a ding on it.
All of my guns have been drug through the mud, the blood, and the beer, and all look like crap...except maybe my Pedersoli Flinter, in my eyes she's still a right pretty girl, although she doesn't get used all that much anymore.
Someday I'm going to own one of those super nice rifles, complete with a switch-over action, my choice cap or flint, like Joe has, it's mostly on my "Bucket List", but a man has to look forward to something, I reckon.
:*: Keep 'em coming Rob, at least I can look at the pictures until something nice comes my way.
Uncle Russ...
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okay, I'll split the difference and call it 105/128. :lol sign So what's eight thousandths between friends? Let's go have a beer.... no wait, I have bible study tonight. Give me a rain check, will you? :toast
I also drool over the pictures I see and wish for some fabulous, hand-built rifle. But it ain't gonna happen; I just keep making improvements/modifications to my Deer Creek rifle and T-C. At least I think they are improvements! :laffing Thinking of adding a patch box to each of them but that will require inletting - scary!!!
~WH~
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i'm still questing for "THAT" rifle - ya know, the one that hits the bullseye for ya without any effort on yer part. :laffing
guess i'll see in a few weeks .... :pray: :*:
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Rob, I'm serious thinking of shortening my 7/8" x 42" .45 caliber GMB flintlock rifle (barrel) to 36 or 38 inches one of these days. (don't know exactly when)... The reason for this is it's muzzle heavy and out here where I live the wind can be relentless and even a 7 to 10 MPH wind can make that long barrel into a sail.
Now in the woods where wind usually isn't much of a problem and you have access to trees to lean that rifle off of, there's no problem at all,,, but at the Range in the wide open it's another story.
So,,, with all this said above,,, have you thought about perhaps shortening the barrel and reworking the stock for better handling purpose? Just throwing this out there as an alternative.
That's a beautiful rifle! :shake
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oh yeah, was thinking of taking that barrel down to 36". i sure like the way she looks so i'm gonna see what bobby does with that barrel, see if she points better for me. if not, it's off to the guillotine for that gal! :laffing
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oh yeah, was thinking of taking that barrel down to 36". i sure like the way she looks so i'm gonna see what bobby does with that barrel, see if she points better for me. if not, it's off to the guillotine for that gal! :laffing
:Doh! Oh no!
Off to the guillotine?
That would be like choppin her leg off!
I can't be watching this anymore, the thought even hurts!
LOL.... :laffing :toast
Uncle Russ...
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It's good to see the ol' gril again Rob.I hope that will make it better handling.I always thought it was hard to shoot freehand too do to the wate and length.I hope it works out for ya. :hairy
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got her back from bobby and great service and workmanship as always. she'll get maidened tomorrow for sure.
roaddog, do you know the make of the barrel and lock?
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Color me green, a very dark green in fact, due to this enormous amount of envy! :Doh!
I am sooo looking forward to reading on how she performs. :bl th up
Don't get me wrong, I do love purty girls, and purty rifles, but I hold a lot of stock in function and performance.
(I have a rifle with a 42" barrel, she is purty as a picture in my eyes, so purty in fact that I just don't have the heart to tinker with her like I do with all my other cheaper rifles, just to make 'em shoot like I want them to....there's just something in that "make 'em shoot" that sure captures me old heart.)
My dream....a real purty rifle that shoots like a house on fire!
Someday, should I live long enough, such a rifle just may come into my life.... :pray:
Congratulation Rob! You got just whatcha wanted, and life is good.
Uncle Russ...
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No Rob but if you would go to Jim;s web sitr I bet they will know.
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back from the range, the gun shot superbly off the bench, THIRTY TWO patched balls fired in a row with no fouling control, no vent picking, only wiping the pan/frizzen/flint, perfect ignition on every trigger pull, excellent accuracy. the 33rd shot was a pan flash, picked the vent and she fired. happened on the 34th shot, so i knew it was time to clean out the barrel ... but still, over 30 shots in a row. cool. 8)
offhand accuracy ........ well, that's another story ........ :Doh! ::) 8)
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Great looking rifle and seems to be performing admirably. :hairy
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back from the range, the gun shot superbly off the bench, THIRTY TWO patched balls fired in a row with no fouling control, no vent picking, only wiping the pan/frizzen/flint, perfect ignition on every trigger pull, excellent accuracy. the 33rd shot was a pan flash, picked the vent and she fired. happened on the 34th shot, so i knew it was time to clean out the barrel ... but still, over 30 shots in a row. cool. 8)
offhand accuracy ........ well, that's another story ........ :Doh! ::) 8)
I'd say 32 shots in a row without picking,,, that's just excellent! :hairy What was your load, Rob?
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42 volume grains of swiss 3f, cast .390 balls (lee mould), eastern maine .010 cotton patch cloth strips, gato feo grease lubing heat gunned into the patch strips.
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back from the range, the gun shot superbly off the bench, THIRTY TWO patched balls fired in a row with no fouling control, no vent picking, only wiping the pan/frizzen/flint, perfect ignition on every trigger pull, excellent accuracy. the 33rd shot was a pan flash, picked the vent and she fired. happened on the 34th shot, so i knew it was time to clean out the barrel ... but still, over 30 shots in a row. cool. 8)
A fella can't ask for much better than that. :bl th up :toast :applaud
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32 shots in a row...Great! :bl th up
Uncle Russ...
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Wow, that's great! :bl th up
~WH~
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unfortunately, it doesn't work well for me offhand, so it may not remain in the gun safe for too long. but it's so darned Accurate!
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Rob, Why doesn't it work well for your offhand shooting: Wrong length of pull? Too much/too little drop? Muzzle heavy? (Am I correct in guessing it's not a swamped bbl.?) The reason I ask is that offhand shooting, at least at silhouettes, is not my forte + my first FL was a Dixie Tenn. Mt. Rifle (poor boy), which was way too muzzle heavy for me. Although I gave considerable thought to shortening the bbl., I never did and sold it, using the proceeds to purchase a Chambers Isaac Haines kit. With its swamped bbl., it is much easier to shoot offhand than the Dixie, which isn't to say I'm a crack shot with it.
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paul, i know i'm being picky but it feels a tad muzzle heavy for me, and it's a straight barrel, not swamped. i was thinking of adding a pound or so to the butt end, or chop the barrel down a few inches, but i really don't wanna mess with a gun that shoots so dang well. rather than "butcher" it, prolly best to get the gal a better home. i'm still thinkin on it all ....
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That's a true dilemma, Rob. I'd probably sell it rather than alter the bbl. or weight distribution (thought about that for my Dixie poor boy, but didn't do it) as I really don't care for muzzle heavy rifles either.
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dagnabitt. it's such a reliable shooter ....
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There is an alternative...
When I was shooting my 9.25 pound - 7/8" x 42" .45 caliber flintlock regularly, I started to make some good headway with it. (IMHO) I believe it was only because it was the only one I was shooting 99% of the time, so I therefore I just got use to the weight and how to play the wind on windy days when using this particular heavy (to me) and longer barreled muzzle loading rifle.
I was much younger then, and was use to shooting 8 to 8.5 pound - 32 and 36 inch barreled ML Rifles, so transitioning to a 42" 9.25 ML Rifle was a challenge, but it was doable,,, back then...
However, since that time I've fell back into the 32 and 36 inch (8 to 8.5 pound) ML Rifles, and re'transitioning back to the heavier & longer barrel doesn't seem quite as easy this time around as it once seemed it was.
Just food for thought. :shake
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Well dang it,,, now I want to get the 9.25 pound - 7/8" x 42" .45 caliber flintlock rifle back out... :Doh! :shake
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a very good point on usage, joe. :shake :*:
i have a gaggle of guns that keep pestering me to take 'em to the field or woods, and i do! but i think i'll stick with the the garner .40 and see if she and i can bond a bit better offhand and out-of-the-pouch.
one thing i should be doing is shooting some blank loads while at the ranch, get more used to the gun's balance. :bl th up
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Rob, I know, and you know as well, likely more so than anyone following this thread.
If that puppy shoots well off the bench, it's a shooter. Plain and simple.
Otherwise, we would not always be going to the bench to "proof' loads, and make major / minor adjustments in loading.
The more ya shoot it, the better you'll get, and the more you will love that rifle.
Thrust me on this, in fact, you can even take it to the Bank if ya like.
I would never cut my fingers off to make a glove fit, but I certainly would endure a perceived discomfort until I got comfortable calling the off-hand shots on a Rifle that shot real well....I've done it, and you can do it as well...if not even better.
Uncle Russ...
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i hear ya, uncle russ. i'm gonna work on loving this rifle! :toast :hairy :*:
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You go guy!
You can do this!
:hairy
Uncle Russ...
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May I suggest, as I have in other posts, that you replace the flint with a piece of wood and dry fire every day? I do this, it gives me a chance to fondle my rifle and should help get muscle memory for when I am at the range.
Unfortunately, my shooting skills still seem to be lacking, or is it my eyesight? Was shooting an unmentionable rifle with those brass thingies and a scope at 25 yards, off the bench, and still sprayed bullets all over the place. :o It is in the back of the closet again and the .45 flintlock will be in my hands from now on.... :bl th up
~WH~
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i prefer to blank fire, either pan or pan and 10 grains in the tube. i don't like wood flint substitutes hitting hammer steels. since it's more a matter of balance i have issues with, just setting and pulling the trigger without cocking whilst doing the balance/aiming trick is another worthwhile exercise. methinks. maybe. either that or there'll be a fine flinter up on the classifieds. :o