Traditional Muzzleloading Association
Craftsmanship => Accoutrements => Topic started by: BEAVERMAN on August 11, 2020, 12:23:44 PM
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Reposting old threads that were lost after the forum cleanup from broken threads or lost pics from photobucket, here's an early build , Maybe some one can use it as a reference or ideas for their own build! Copy of a colonial era horn from Grinsdales book
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Hey Jim, Nice simple design horn. I like it a lot.
As a point of discussion, let's talk about the staple you have. Now, I am not a big fan of the staple thing, I much more prefer the simple strap groove instead.
Please, I am not saying this is done wrong, it's just a topic of discussion. OK. Although I have seen many staples that have employed a couple of full twists along the length of the exposed area, I have also heard many people say that is a bad idea, because it can wear the connecting threads of a cloth strap ???? What does everyone think?
Then there is placement of the staple. It seems to me that having it on the top of the horn is less than desirable, as over a period of time, it could work loose and pull out. Whereas if it were put on the bottom and only utilized as a device to keep the horn strap in place, that much stress would not be employed. I know, one can always bend the tip of the staple over, or epoxy it in place when installing, etc. but also some people would not think to do that.
So, what I am looking at here is just a topic of conversation. What say all of you? Probably should start a new thread so Beav's post is not hi jacked.
John (Bigsmoke)
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Hey Jim, Nice simple design horn. I like it a lot.
As a point of discussion, let's talk about the staple you have. Now, I am not a big fan of the staple thing, I much more prefer the simple strap groove instead.
Please, I am not saying this is done wrong, it's just a topic of discussion. OK. Although I have seen many staples that have employed a couple of full twists along the length of the exposed area, I have also heard many people say that is a bad idea, because it can wear the connecting threads of a cloth strap ???? What does everyone think?
Then there is placement of the staple. It seems to me that having it on the top of the horn is less than desirable, as over a period of time, it could work loose and pull out. Whereas if it were put on the bottom and only utilized as a device to keep the horn strap in place, that much stress would not be employed. I know, one can always bend the tip of the staple over, or epoxy it in place when installing, etc. but also some people would not think to do that.
So, what I am looking at here is just a topic of conversation. What say all of you? Probably should start a new thread so Beav's post is not hi jacked.
John (Bigsmoke)
John, this is the perfect place for this discussion, gives a model to refer to, I agree, like I said in earlier posts these are horns my early horn making days, 10 to 12 years ago, that being said there are many people that prefer the staple on the top of the horn instead of the side, go figure! I prefer the double ring on the throat of the horn for strap attachment, although there are pics of original horns with a staple in the same place as this one.
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:*: I hope you don't mind my joining the discussion....
I seriously doubt it the twist would impact the fibers of the strap if (caveat) the strap were wide enough to fill the staple so it doesn't slip back and forth on it. And if it isn't bent over (they didn't have epoxy back "in the day") it could work loose over time as you say; it should be bent over when first installed to prevent that from happening.
It would be interesting to see the original from Grinsdale's book, get an x-ray to see what was done to secure the staple.
~Kees~
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:*: I hope you don't mind my joining the discussion....
I seriously doubt it the twist would impact the fibers of the strap if (caveat) the strap were wide enough to fill the staple so it doesn't slip back and forth on it. And if it isn't bent over (they didn't have epoxy back "in the day") it could work loose over time as you say; it should be bent over when first installed to prevent that from happening.
It would be interesting to see the original from Grinsdale's book, get an x-ray to see what was done to secure the staple.
~Kees~
Kees all my staples have been bent from the inside and them epoxied inside and out to try to keep the bent staple from any movement, originals that have been able to see the inside, the staples were either bent or have notched barbs like fish hooks to keep them in place