Traditional Muzzleloading Association
Shooting Traditional Firearms and Weapons => General Interest => Topic started by: 45.70 on August 16, 2016, 07:12:09 PM
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Gents,
Just curious about some of your feelings/experiences between shooting with pre-lubed oil patches and spit patches. I've been using T/C pre-lubed patches, but due to fouling, I have to stop shooting and clean my barrel after about 5-10 shots.
Thanks,
Garry
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Spit. Always have & always will. I believe a spit patch wipes the barrel as it's loaded so every shot is pretty much like the last. This is just my theory.
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After one range day of shooting spit patches this last year, I think I agree with your theory Keb. Out hunting I never really noticed a difference, but hunting, I'm only shooting a few rounds at most. (which is most of my limited experience) It was at the range that I really noticed the difference. If I remember correctly, someone here at the TMA stated that BP residue, after firing, actually has an oily base. I noticed it when I first started shooting BP, but thought the oily residue was from my pre-lubed patches. I might be switching to buying only dry patches in the future.
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Agree with Keb, except I always run out of spit. I now use Ballistol and water (1/5). Shot many a trail walk or range session through the years and never had to clean between shots.
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I also agree with Keb, use spit patch in matches but lube patches for hunting when load may be in barrel for any length of time. BH
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Bison, I haven't shot a match yet, I keep saying I'm going to one day. My experience with the dry patches was by accident. Shooting at the range last year, I had a used rifle I bought that came with some dry patches. I tried the spit patches because I didn't have the correct size lubed patches on hand. You mentioned using lubed patches for hunting, any particular reason why? ?? better seal for the powder in wet weather, Etc.
Garry
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I use Canola oil. I have a Mason jar filled with pre-cut patches soaking in the oil. I remove whatever amount I need, wring out the oil at time of shooting and then patch and cut at the muzzle. I think pre-lubed patches dry out too much and this system works well for me!
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Spit is great - but for an all day walk in the woods something that won't rust in-place is desirable... or freeze since I seem to be out in the woods at times when there is a good deal of snow on the ground and the temp is freezing....
I used to use Crisco but the patches would start to go rancid if left too long. So I got inventive....
I have a concoction that will not freeze sub zero and has no H2O in it... I soak patches (well, really, more like smear it on and let em sit)... The patches don't dry out, and the concoction has a group of things which are hydrophobic, coat & protect metal, and help cut fouling..... I've been testing it out for a while now and so far I have been happy with the results for hunting...
Easy to make stuff - all off the shelf at your local hardware store, and only two ingredients that might take a bit of searching for.....
Homemade bore cleaner is in the jars and the patch lube stuff I keep in small tins -
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Yep I know it's PINK! stinky pink patch lube
At a match some pre-lubed patches and some dry/spit is usually the way I work the line.....
If anybody wants to test this stuff let me know I'll send you the recipe.
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I use the Ballistol / water method for everything except my pistol.
At rondy shoots when having to load from the bag, I use a linen patch and spit for the pistol. When I am allowed to use a loading stand I go back to the tighter patch and Ballistol. It is a more accurate load but too difficult to load without the stand.
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When I started off and for years afterward I used spit patch. Nowadays I have "dry mouth" and can no longer do that. At the range/woods walks/etc I use Hoppes #9 Plus BP patch Lube. I can shoot all day and not have to swab the bore. In the woods I use Mink Oil and if I don't get a shot it's safe to leave it loaded.
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Spit. Always have & always will. I believe a spit patch wipes the barrel as it's loaded so every shot is pretty much like the last. This is just my theory.
Spit for everything except hunting...That's what rollingb told me and I've stuck with it.
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Spit for target shooting, TC Bore Butter for hunting. These two combos work best for me, but that's just me after years of using this method.
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On a recent trip a new friend let me shoot one of his rifles and I used his regimen including MAP. Worked great and I too run low on saliva especially in the summer so I mixed some up and have been using it for a couple of weeks.
What's MAP? Equal parts of Murphys Oil Soap, 91% rubbing alcohol and hydrogen peroxide.
I still use more NM oil for hunting.
TC
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absolutely spit for load 'n' then shoot, but patch strips for me instead of individual patches.
for load and wait shootin', spit will promote rust/corrosion so ya want something besides spit/water. i like original lehigh valley, or gato feo, or straight up mutton tallow. really, the list of what can effectively be used to replace spit is near endless and they will *ALL* work fine, one way or another.
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Spit or Ol' Thunder for me for target shooting.
For hunting, I have typically used Ox/Yoke Wonderlube patches. For the big bore guns, I ran a pre-lubed cushion wad down first ahead of the PRB. Never had a minute's worth of problems with that.
Ox Yoke made up some .70-.80 caliber patches for me, as the .60-.69 cal patches were really too small even for the .69. Whether RMC still has any of those, I have no idea. Interestingly, I found that the T/C round cleaning patch worked pretty good for 8 and 4 bore guns.
John