Your TMA Officers and Board of Directors
Support the TMA! ~ Traditional Muzzleloaders ~ The TMA is here for YOU!
*** JOIN in on the TMA 2024 POSTAL MATCH *** it's FREE for ALL !

For TMA related products, please check out the new TMA Store !

The Flintlock Paper

*** Folk Firearms Collective Videos ***



Author Topic: Caps?  (Read 1428 times)

Offline Muley

  • TMA Forum Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 504
Caps?
« on: February 19, 2014, 03:24:29 PM »
I'd like some of your opinions on brand of caps. In the past i've used the newer Remington, and the CCI mag caps. It seems like the CCIM caps work a little better, but i've never done a back to back comparison with the same gun/load.

What do you guys like?
Pete
TMA Member #655
Expires Dec 2017
Keep your nose in the wind.

Online Two Steps

  • TMA Contributing Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5176
  • TMA Charter Member
  • TMA Member: TMA Charter Member #47 Expires 3/22/23
Re: Caps?
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2014, 03:58:26 PM »
Muley, when I shoot my cap guns I use CCIs.  Pretty much always have as they were what I got first.  Never tried any of the mags.  Never had a problem with the CCI #11s.
There is a thread going on right now about different brand caps.
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=19383
Al
Two Steps/Al Bateman
I envy no man that knows more than myself,
and pity them that know less.  (Sir T. Brown)

TMA Charter Member 47

Offline Muley

  • TMA Forum Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 504
Re: Caps?
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2014, 04:12:12 PM »
Oops! I figured there would be a thread on them. I looked on the wrong forum.

Thanks.
Pete
TMA Member #655
Expires Dec 2017
Keep your nose in the wind.

Offline prairie dog

  • TMA Contributing Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 798
  • TMA Member: Contributing Member #678
Re: Caps?
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2014, 05:23:16 PM »
I am using the CCI magnums currently.  I've used the regular CCI, RWS, Remington, and Winchester.  I don't see much if any difference except the Remington caps are a little larger than the CCI.  They will fit a nipple that's a little larger or starting to mushroom out.

It seems any of the newer caps are more reliable than some of the imported stuff I got back in the 1980's.  I hardly ever find a cap that's lost it's prime these days.
Steve Sells

Online rollingb

  • TMA BoD
  • ****
  • Posts: 6957
  • TMA Founder
  • TMA: Founder
  • TMA Member: TMA Charter Member#6
  • Location: Northwest KS
Re: Caps?
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2014, 05:43:41 PM »
Quote from: "prairie dog"
I am using the CCI magnums currently.  I've used the regular CCI, RWS, Remington, and Winchester. I don't see much if any difference except the Remington caps are a little larger than the CCI.  They will fit a nipple that's a little larger or starting to mushroom out.

It seems any of the newer caps are more reliable than some of the imported stuff I got back in the 1980's.  I hardly ever find a cap that's lost it's prime these days.
Here is a cap size chart that some of you might find handy.
THR
"An honest man is worth his weight in gold"
For only $1.25 per-month, you too can help preserve our traditional muzzleloading heritage.
TMA Founder
TMA Charter Member #6

Offline Ron T.

  • TMA Forum Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 32
Re: Caps?
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2014, 03:15:21 PM »
I, too, use regular CCI #11 percussion caps... they always worked just fine for me in my .50 caliber older CVA Hawken rifles.  I've often wondered if the CCI Magnum caps would work even better, but haven't had any reason to changed the type of caps I am now using.


Strength & Honor...

Ron T.
It's SMART to hang around old guys 'cause they know lotsa "stuff"...

Online Bigsmoke

  • TMA Contributing Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4149
  • TMA: Charter Member #150
Re: Caps?
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2014, 04:51:43 PM »
Have had numerous misfires using regular CCI caps.  Not worth the bother to try them again.  The magnums are better.
Started out with Remingtons and really had good success with them, but they are hard to find here.
Somewhere along the line I started shooting with RWS caps and have been totally satisfied with them.  Hardly ever a misfire, and when there is, it's usually my fault.  
In my big rifles I rely upon musket cap ignition and have found that the CCI musket caps work OK there.
Years ago, a friend of mine did a series of tests on different brands of percussion caps and his findings confirmed that the RWS caps were the best.
If you are shooting Pyrodex, for sure use the hottest caps you can get.
Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest Up to God.

BigSmoke - John Shorb
TMA Charter Member #150  
NRA - Life
Coeur d'Alene Muzzleloaders - Life

Offline Riley/MN

  • TMA Contributing Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5100
  • TMA Member: Charter Member #20
  • Location: Montana
Re: Caps?
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2014, 04:58:35 PM »
Yup, if there were a shelf stocked with all the different caps, I would choose the RWS. Not sure why, they just seem to work "better". I have had decent luck with CCI, Remington and Winchester caps as well.

Then there was the CVA caps that came in the light blue plastic "tins". If ya hit em hard enough, they go off...after 4-5 hits.
~Riley
><>


TMA Charter Member #20


Support Traditional Muzzleloading - Join the TMA!

Offline Muley

  • TMA Forum Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 504
Re: Caps?
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2014, 05:23:51 PM »
I'm experimenting with using RSW musket caps now on the Renegade. A lot easier to handle with my big fingers.
Pete
TMA Member #655
Expires Dec 2017
Keep your nose in the wind.

Offline Ron T.

  • TMA Forum Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 32
Re: Caps?
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2014, 05:52:09 PM »
Quote from: "bigsmoke"
Have had numerous misfires using regular CCI caps.  Not worth the bother to try them again.  The magnums are better.

Years ago, a friend of mine did a series of tests on different brands of percussion caps and his findings confirmed that the RWS caps were the best.
If you are shooting Pyrodex, for sure use the hottest caps you can get.

*****************************************************************

Ahhhhhhhhhhh... I see (now) why you may have had a "problem" with standard CCI percussion caps... you're using Pyrodex (man-made) black powder, a black powder substitute rather than REAL black powder.   :idea    :toast


Strength & Honor...

Ron T.
It's SMART to hang around old guys 'cause they know lotsa "stuff"...

Online Bigsmoke

  • TMA Contributing Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4149
  • TMA: Charter Member #150
Re: Caps?
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2014, 07:01:52 PM »
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
Looks like I was misunderstood again. :Doh!
No, I was not shooting Pyrodex or any of the other synthetic powders.  Except for some tests I have run over the years, I never have, and I never will shoot that stuff.
Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest Up to God.

BigSmoke - John Shorb
TMA Charter Member #150  
NRA - Life
Coeur d'Alene Muzzleloaders - Life

Offline Detached

  • TMA Forum Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 103
Re: Caps?
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2014, 07:31:04 PM »
Powder snobs.  :wave
Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency.

Offline Geezer in NH

  • TMA Forum Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 102
Re: Caps?
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2014, 07:49:34 PM »
Sounds like the new fashioned nipple huggers don't work quite like. Need to get a good rock lock, god lined the streams with rocks that work not nipple huggers.

LOL all in good fun

Online Bigsmoke

  • TMA Contributing Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4149
  • TMA: Charter Member #150
Re: Caps?
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2014, 07:56:50 PM »
Geezer, replying to your post could get me in a lot of trouble with the powers that be, something about obscene posts and all that.
So, I will just leave that alone, darn it.  It could have been a lot of fun.
By the way, you just don't know how many times I have tried to embrace the rock.  Even went so far as to sell off all my percussion guns so I would have to get with that program.  Wound up buying another cap gun.  Never could develop a real fancy for them rock locks.  Always kept coming back to cap guns.  At this stage of my life, I think I will just stay where I am at.
Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest Up to God.

BigSmoke - John Shorb
TMA Charter Member #150  
NRA - Life
Coeur d'Alene Muzzleloaders - Life

Offline Ron T.

  • TMA Forum Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 32
Re: Caps?
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2014, 09:12:22 PM »
Jezzzzzzz... John (BigSmoke)...I "goofed" even BIGGER than you did... sorry I mis-interpreted what you meant.  Butttttttttttt... I'll stick with CCI "caps" anyway 'cause they work for me jus' fine.

I also have a Pennsylvania "rock-lock" Long Rifle, but don't shoot it nearly as much as the cap-locks.  However, the ol' "flinter" is very accurate and fun to shoot, but not so "fun" or easy-to-clean as the cap-lock Hawken rifles are with their wedge-held-in removable barrels.

The cap-lock rifles have kinda "spoiled" me as far as the ease-of-cleaning goes.

Keep yer powder dry...   :toast


Strength & Honor...

Ron T.
It's SMART to hang around old guys 'cause they know lotsa "stuff"...