Hatfield Rifle

[Renegade]

Hey everyone, I'm looking at a hatfield rifle at a local gun shop. He has written on the tag  Hatfield 50 cal. squirrel rifle, (must be for deer size squirrels). It looks like a pedersoli made gun. He's asking 699.00 for it, seems a little High to me but I really don't know. Does anybody have any input on these guns or how much they go for brand new?
      Thanks in advance for all your help

[Bigsmoke]

Well, Ted Hatfield has been out of business for at least 10 years, so there isn't any relative measure for what current new price is.  I think they were a little less than that back then.  They are indeed a Pedersoli gun.  Compare to the Cabela's Blue Ridge rifle, about the same thing.
I had one and shot it a bit probably 20 years ago, and it was pretty good shooter.
I'd say there should be some bargaining room in that price, especially if it is used.

[Captchee]

if it says pedersoli , made in italy . its not one of ted hatfeilds .
 pedersoli markets them under the names Blue Ridge , kentucky  and hatfeild  depending on what Sub made them .
 600 seems to me to be to much .
 i know some folks her like them and have had good luck with them. but myself  ahhhhhhh no

[W. Welshman]

They had three version.The first one made by Mr.Hatfield was a good shooter.Don't know much about the second version but the third version was made over in Italy not a good shooter.I have seen both version guns the first version price $400-500 and the Italy one $300.

[Bigsmoke]

If I am not mistaken, Hatfield imported the pieces and parts from Pedersoli and assembled them in St. Joe, MO.  He did have a pretty neat old building there.  Got a tour once from Ted.  Nice place, I think it was on the historical register.
Pedersoli parts will interchange, I think.

[W. Welshman]

It came with two locks caplock- flinter the first version had rust brown finish on barrel third had a blue finish on barrel.I miss out on a first version like new $400 I cry all the way home that day

[wwpete52]

I had a Hatfield many years ago. It was a fine rifle. I wish that I still had it and several other rifles I traded away!

[Renegade]

Thanks everyone for all your help, much appreciated. I want the rifle,.  but I think he's way too high on the price. I can buy a new cabelas blue ridge rifle for around 500.00. I may just do that.

[Renegade]

Thanks everyone for all your help, much appreciated. I want the rifle, but I think he's way too high on the price. I can buy a new cabelas blue ridge rifle for around 500.00. I may just do that.

[wwpete52]

What kind of stock does the Hatfield have? Is it a flamed maple stock?

[Renegade]

What kind of stock does the Hatfield have? Is it a flamed maple stock?

No, It's a dark color. Is the curly maple the original hatfield? I have  seen those.

[wwpete52]

All of the Hatfields that I have seen had curley maple stocks. I know that the most common Pedersoli has a walnut stock. Pedersoli does make the same rifle with a premium maple stock but it costs more. I think all of the Cabela Pedersoli Frontier rifles have a walnut stock but I might be wrong.
If you have a chance, take another look at the Hatfield. If it has a maple stock you might want to make the guy an offer.  Start low and see if he will take it or counter.  It's your money so make a low offer. Most regular gun shops hate muzzleloaders so start low. He might take it!
I believe that the Hatfield will bring more money than the Cabela if you ever want to sell it.

[rollingb]

In years past, I've had both,.... the Hatfields, and the Pedersoli Blue Ridges.

Some parts will interchange on the 2 rifles,...

The Hatfield used Pedersoli locks after a certain serial #, which were better (IMHO) than the original Hatfield locks.

The Hatfield barrels were about 1/2" longer than the Pedersoli Blue Ridge's.

And the Hatfields used Curly Maple wood,... verses,... Pedersoli Blue Ridge which uses European walnut.

The butt-plates won't interchange between the two types of rifles,... and neither will the triggerguards.

Those are the major differences between the 2 rifles that I can recall (just off the top of my head).

IMO, the Hatfield should be worth a little more money then a Blue Ridge, mainly because of the quality of it's wood.

HTH

[Renegade]

All of the Hatfields that I have seen had curley maple stocks. I know that the most common Pedersoli has a walnut stock. Pedersoli does make the same rifle with a premium maple stock but it costs more. I think all of the Cabela Pedersoli Frontier rifles have a walnut stock but I might be wrong.
If you have a chance, take another look at the Hatfield. If it has a maple stock you might want to make the guy an offer.  Start low and see if he will take it or counter.  It's your money so make a low offer. Most regular gun shops hate muzzleloaders so start low. He might take it!
I believe that the Hatfield will bring more money than the Cabela if you ever want to sell it.

Thanks for your advise wwpete2. I will go in low and see what happens. I'll let ya know how I make out.

[Renegade]

In years past, I've had both,.... the Hatfields, and the Pedersoli Blue Ridges.

Some parts will interchange on the 2 rifles,...

The Hatfield used Pedersoli locks after a certain serial #, which were better (IMHO) than the original Hatfield locks.

The Hatfield barrels were about 1/2" longer than the Pedersoli Blue Ridge's.

And the Hatfields used Curly Maple wood,... verses,... Pedersoli Blue Ridge which uses European walnut.

The butt-plates won't interchange between the two types of rifles,... and neither will the triggerguards.

Those are the major differences between the 2 rifles that I can recall (just off the top of my head).

IMO, the Hatfield should be worth a little more money then a Blue Ridge, mainly because of the quality of it's wood.

HTH

 Thanks for the INFO. rollinb.