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Traditional Firearms => Flintlock Long Guns => Topic started by: Feltwad on September 08, 2011, 09:21:27 AM

Title: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: Feltwad on September 08, 2011, 09:21:27 AM: Enclosed are images of a 1740-80 English sporting flintlock shotgun.The stock is of plain English walnut with a long narrow wrist with silver wire inlay The trigger gaurd which is the same period has a Husk finial,there is also a brass band in the forstock which is the join of the full stock.A good example of the period
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not secure a chicken house door
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: Feltwad on September 10, 2011, 05:22:26 PM: With no responce to this topic,is there no interest in original flintlocks?
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not secure a chicken house door
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: greyhunter on September 10, 2011, 07:19:38 PM: Of late sir I have noticed a downward trend of posts and replies. I don't know what is in the wind, but there are a lot of old friends abscent. Of note Hawkeye,Old Salt,Hota, Ironwood,Riverrat,Butternut,Ohio Joe, (altho I think he is back with a new alias). The list,sadly, is long. New trails,new friends, and new comittments? Who knows, but I miss those guys. I have posted recently asking for prayers for the folks in Pa. and Ny. devastated by the recent flood, no response. I hope it turns around, a tree not watered will not stand. I appreciate your posts and fine pictures btw. Let's stir the embers lads and get the fire up. I sure do miss ol Hawkeyes' smily avatar. I hope they ain't all gone under!
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: Uncle Russ on September 10, 2011, 08:40:32 PM: Greyhunter, your observations seems to mirror my own at times.
And, like you, I also miss the friendly spirit many of the oldtimers brought to the forum.

Still yet, it is still summer in my neck of the woods and many of the good folks are still out rondy'vooing and kicking up their heels, or else getting ready for the hunt that's coming up soon.

Uncle Russ..
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: Feltwad on September 11, 2011, 02:30:36 AM: Yes I must agree with Greyhunter and Uncle Russ I have noticed a downward trend to posts,it seems to have lost the enthusiasm not like when I joined in 2007 which is sad.
Feltwad

A Flint Lock will not secure a chicken house door
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: Roaddog on September 11, 2011, 05:55:05 AM: Feltwap We do love to see the grate old guns you post. It's the onley time we get to see such fine guns and lern abought them.
I too am hoping things come back to speed around here. I miss the old gang.
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: sse on September 12, 2011, 11:38:51 AM: Old gang, new gang, whatever...this is the internet, they come and they go.
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: Riley/MN on September 12, 2011, 12:11:49 PM: Been gone since Sept 1, so just now seeing this - KEEP POSTING!

Thanks Feltwad.
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: gunmaker on November 09, 2012, 09:18:30 PM: The Only way we (most of us anyhows) will ever be able to build a true reproduction of any period gun is STUDY we really need all the pic;s we can get............thanks Feltwad for being in a place where you can let us colonials see what really is. ............Tom
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: wattlebuster on November 09, 2012, 09:40:47 PM: Im new on this forum so I have just now seen this thread. I do love seeing pics of old originals, and thes are some fine ones
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: sse on November 10, 2012, 12:12:16 PM: Quote
Im new on this forum
Welcome to ya...
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: Sir Michael on November 10, 2012, 12:31:52 PM: Feltwad, is that a brass washer/splice just behind the entry thimble on the fist gun pics you posted?
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: Hanshi on November 10, 2012, 01:11:55 PM: The absence of some old faces/names disturbs me, as well. This happened on another forum and basically put it on life support. I sincerely hope we'll recover.

Original guns fascinate me and getting to see pics on the forum is educational. After all, many contemporary guns are copies (more or less) of particular originals. These old guns are our roots. Keep 'em coming and post, post, post.
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: Fletcher on November 10, 2012, 06:37:29 PM: I have been working out of state a lot. I do look at the site a couple of times a week but just don't have a lot of time to comment.

I do remark on things I know a bit about. I just admire the other stuff that I don't know.

You can tell both the number of views on a post and the number of replies. That is a good way to tell if folks are looking.

Also, when a post gets buried in a lot of other traffic, folks can pass it by and it falls down the list.

It is good to look in the topical index and well as the new post menus.

Quite often a good post gets 'bumped' back up by someone who responds late - having missed it the first go round.

Keep up the good stuff - Feltwad and everyone else. Times are tough and I fear about to get a lot worse. We need a little joy - if only to look
at a few nice things.
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: Hota on November 10, 2012, 07:36:20 PM: Well i work in cyber investigations for a fortune 50 company. Great job but the past three years has been insane in the cyber world. It is a battlefront that gets zero recognition. There are long stretches of time where my down time is dedicated to my kids and being as far away from computers as i can. I am really trying to force myself this winter to stay in touch with my online friends, work on my flintlocks, hides, and other traditional projects and spend a lot of time in the woods and at the cabin so i dont lose my mind. I am very very fortunate to have friends like you that welcome me each time i can make it back. This year, more than any other of the recent past i have really needed to get back to my traditional roots. My health and sanity depend on it. If computers go to hell then thats great, as long as my traditional skills stay with me. We are so volitile being dependent on computers for our nations infrastructure. Thanks again for making me feel like i never left.

Feltwad, thanks for sharing the pics!
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: Capt. Jas. on November 10, 2012, 10:53:09 PM: I have seen that takedown before probably on another website. I really like it and would more than likely date it towards the end of the date range you give. Any makers markings?
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: Gordon H.Kemp on November 11, 2012, 11:25:01 AM: I, for one have always been impressed with both the text and photos posted by Feltwad. He always manages to present his material in such a manner that it is educational and not just bragging , a true lover of the old arts and talents .
Theres litle question that the last coulple of years have made it difficult for many here to attend to survival in our home life and still maintain contact through the TMA forums . I know this may sound like an old "gruych", but I would encourage those that the membership have chosen to guide the TMA , to refrain from straying any farther from our {TMA) goals .
Feltwad , I would hope you continue to grace our ASSN. with your knowledge and experience .
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: Kermit on November 21, 2012, 10:05:32 PM: Hey Feltwad! Nice! I recognized the "takedown-ness" of this one right away. I've never seen any pix (or handled one) with this feature. Any chance of talking you into posting some photos of the takedown area broken down? I'd surely like to get a notion of just how that works.
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: pathfinder on November 22, 2012, 03:12:05 PM: I'm usually to blown away from Feltwads pic's to comment! I'm awfully jealous of all the oppertunities he has when it comes to original gun's! I alway's look forward to his post's.
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: Feltwad on November 22, 2012, 05:20:42 PM: I will strip down this gun and take some images of the join of the full stock next week.
Feltwad

A Flint Lock will not sercure a chicken house door
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: gunmaker on November 25, 2012, 02:05:01 PM: Keep 'em coming feltwad, got any pic's of English flint game rifles ? I'm about to build one for a client, and would dearly love to see some "real" ones from across the pond. I have a good book on origionals. but I will be happy to see any you would share ............Tom
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: Feltwad on November 26, 2012, 01:58:57 PM: Sorry Tom have nothing in that type .Although most English gun maker built flint and percussion game rifle they were mostly for the Army staff and country gentlemen who travel to parts of the empire such has India.The rifle here in the UK game in two main types first was the rifle known has a Park rifle this was used for culling in a deer park ,the second was for the Scottish highlands this was a bigger rifle than the park rifle most were sxs.Today it is against the law to shoot deer with a muzzle loading rifle due too the low velocity to a modern rifle and most certinally not a single barrel .
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not sercure a chicken house door
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: gunmaker on November 27, 2012, 01:22:11 PM: Thanks for the info feltwad.........Tom
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: cb on November 27, 2012, 03:06:23 PM: I to always appreciate your posts Feltwad even though I may not post.

Gunmaker here are a couple of flint English rifle pics -

circa 1740-45 fullstock with swamped barrel
(http://www.wrtcleather.com/1-ckd/firearms/english-rifle-2.jpg)

later rifles all with swamped barrels although by the early 1800's tapered barrels were becoming more "common"
(http://www.wrtcleather.com/1-ckd/firearms/english-rifle-4.jpg)
These are from the book "English Guns And Rifles" by J.N. George

a take down sporting rifle circa 1825
http://www.aagaines.com/guns/wheat.html (http://www.aagaines.com/guns/wheat.html)

Over all it's tough to find good info on late 18th/early 19th Century flint English SPorting rifles - the later percussions are much easier to find good info on..

BTW - what lock are you planning on using? depending on period I would use the Blackley & Sons Manton V-pan kit for post 1790's and later...other wise talk with Bob Roller who makes some of the best English style locks available......
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: gunmaker on November 28, 2012, 12:45:54 PM: Thanks for the pic's cb, Actually this rifle is going to be a capper. Plan on L&R Alex Henry lock, square English hook breech maple blank & shop made steel trim. .50 cal. X 30" bbl. The top pic is what I have in mind...........Tom
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: Feltwad on November 29, 2012, 03:06:49 PM: Enclosed has promised the take down join of an early English flintlock fowler ,notice the angle of the join.
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not secure a chicken house door
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: Feltwad on November 29, 2012, 03:19:11 PM: Images of a stand of flintlock sporting guns plus types of flint lock from the big punt gun to the pistol
Feltwad
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: Feltwad on November 29, 2012, 03:22:12 PM: An original flintlock sporting gun by Harrison
Feltwad
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: rickevans on November 29, 2012, 03:27:34 PM: Thanks Feltwad.
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: Feltwad on November 29, 2012, 03:28:45 PM: Two Flintlock sporting guns which I built in 1971 and 72
Feltwad
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Post by: Riley/MN on November 29, 2012, 03:51:36 PM: Very nice - Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: 1776Patriot on December 01, 2012, 09:46:55 AM: I certainly chose a good time to reactivate my interest after a year and a half! :bl th up
Title: Re: English Sporting Flintlock
Post by: Roaddog on December 02, 2012, 06:09:35 AM: Asome work you did there Feltwad. The inlay and the grane of the wood how they work with each uther is brethtaking. Thankyou so much for sharing with us.