Traditional Muzzleloading Association
Craftsmanship => Accoutrements => Topic started by: ridjrunr on February 09, 2013, 02:44:33 PM
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This is my current project the plug is black walnut,hollowed out about .625" deep with a Forstner bit. Mite try and add a band or two. I have never tried that yet but am thinking it might be nice on this one also thinking of an applied tip.?
More pictures to come.
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Looking good pard! I like those style horns. I have a few horns to do also, now that I have a lathe it won't be such a problem to make the plugs! Are you going to do some scrim or leave it plain?
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I have never tried scrim so that is why I was thinking along some of the horns in Sibleys book on southern banded horns. Even though I have a good supply of these horns and they were pretty cheap, I just don't want to screw it up. Sometime I need to practice on some scrap horn. In fact I "developed" a scrap horn this week trying to flatten it. It was smaller than this horn you see here, most likely a practice pc.now.
How are you weathering the storm ok GH?
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Looking good. An applied tip would probably work pretty good on that horn. Will need to slim down the front of the horn a bit, though.
I like the decorative groves on the baseplug. Very subtle.
Never heard of a Super Shop machine. One of the many Shopsmith clones, I would guess. Looks to be pretty hefty. Makes life better without cluttering up a small shop with a lot of stand alone tools. I have been using Shopsmiths for 30 years now, and I do believe I have worn out a few in that time.
John
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Thanks for the input big smoke, I may not have big enough stock material laying around to do an applied tip I,ll have to do some diggin in my stuff. If I don't ,then I,ll do a tapered panelled tip.
Yes, there is quite a bit of material to rasp down on the forward section but that's good,I think it gives me options.
The shop smith is a Smithy product out of Michigan. I lucked into this setup via an estate sale in ID. The more I use it the more I like it. It's got great range of rpm,from 36 to 7200 in 3 different ranges. The only attachment I don't have for it is the bandsaw that runs off a spline shaft on the left side of the workhead.
Anyways, I need to make a mandrel for turning bands. (Baseball bat)
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Well,the mandrel went pretty good and turning the bands wasn't too bad but I really need a better sharpening system for my lathe tools. It became obvious that as the tool dulled it chipped the horn rather than cut it.
I ended up with 5 bands and this is one idea of application.
Tomarrow I will do the forward section of the horn, slimming it down and sculpt a tip before deciding on the bands and arrangement of bands.
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Thanks for asking Ridjrnr, not bad at all where I am for snow. Maybe 5-6 inches, very dry light snow, no power loss, but some high winds all day today. Temp going down to 8 or so in the am. Spent the day working on my old sled, after I cleaned up the driveway of snow. Farther northeast they got their butts handed to them, 24+ inches and many w/o power. Glad I'm not a Connecticut Yankee!
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With that lathe there, a turned antler pour spout mite be a thought....Tom
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Your doing very fine work there Ridjrunr. Thanks for taking us through the steps.
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A two pc applied tip is the way I decided to go. Digging through a box, I found a pc of whitetail antler about 1.5" long and turned the spout collar with that. It was turned using a pen mandrel and then I counter bored each end of the collar .375 deep x .500 dia.
Then the rasp work began,first doing the part that goes in the collar and then thinning down the forward half of the horn so it was a smaller diameter than the collar. All of the work on the horn was by hand with rasp,file and scraper only.
Now I need to find another pc of antler or horn to turn the actual spout with.
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Those three pictures ended up in reverse order.
Here is how it looks until I can turn the spout section.
Also, I am thinking that the white band is a little too thick and will try and get it back on the wooden mandrel and thin it a bit before applying.
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Creativity in progress...very nice.
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Nice project there. Thanks for the pics and explanations.
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Well it was a learning experience,I will say that.
I made a dye bath with onion skins and soaked the horn for about 40 minutes.
All connections are sealed with beeswax and pinned with thorns and toothpicks.
The staple was a finishing nail.
These last pix where taken with an old camera 2.0 mega pix,( not so mega).
If they are fuzzy I may do other pix later when the new camera gets home.
Comments,thoughts and concerns welcome
Ridjrunr
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Two more
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Looks really good to me brother!!
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Looks pretty darn SWEET if you ask me!
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Thanks for the encouraging comments! Can't wait to start the next one.
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Ridj.... I would like to hear some more about that "onion dye bath" you spoke of.
What does that do?
What's the process?
Uncle Russ...
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Russ, when I was buying an onion, I gathered up a whole bunch of loose onion skins that where laying in the produce bin at the super market. Loosely I probably had a third of an ice cream pales worth.
When I was ready to dye the horn and rings ( I did them all before assembly) , I put about 1.5 gal of water in a pot big enough to hang the horn in and added all of the onion skins. I them heated to a boil and immediatly shut off the burner and then suspended the horn, fully submerged. I let it soak like that for 40 minutes. Then I took it out and let it cool in the house and then air dried it outside as I got the rest of the stuff ready for final assembly.
This is all just to give it a little color. You can hopefully see the difference in the photos from the beginning of the post to the last.
Most people from what I gather, use store bought RIT Dye and do the same process.
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Russ, when I was buying an onion, I gathered up a whole bunch of loose onion skins that where laying in the produce bin at the super market. Loosely I probably had a third of an ice cream pales worth.
When I was ready to dye the horn and rings ( I did them all before assembly) , I put about 1.5 gal of water in a pot big enough to hang the horn in and added all of the onion skins. I them heated to a boil and immediatly shut off the burner and then suspended the horn, fully submerged. I let it soak like that for 40 minutes. Then I took it out and let it cool in the house and then air dried it outside as I got the rest of the stuff ready for final assembly.
This is all just to give it a little color. You can hopefully see the difference in the photos from the beginning of the post to the last.
Most people from what I gather, use store bought RIT Dye and do the same process.
Thanks Ridj!
Now who was it that said "it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks"????
Uncle Russ...
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LOOK AT YOU GO DAN !!!!!! .
a banded horn is something i always thought i would try some day . just never got around to it .
you have done well sir . came along way since the first days here in my shop
Really put a big smile on my face and warms the hart .
Come back some day for a hunt will ya
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Ridjrunr your work sure do shine. It all came togather very well. How did it perform at the shoot this last weekend?Very well I would bet.
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Very nice work indeed.
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Thank you for the nice feedback.
Charley, I think I built this one in my head a few hundred times before cutting horn,lol
Is there a cow season last week of Dec and first week of Jan? I forget.
Road Dog, the forward section of the spout is from one of the pcs you sent me, thanks again!
Ridjrunr
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Is there a cow season last week of Dec and first week of Jan? I forget.
ya there is but its Draw i believe or down around boise where you have to fight off the flat landers .
sometimes the weiser area has one that open . but not every year
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I will check f&g website. My employer usually has a shutdown from Christmas to new year. We,ll be in touch about that.