Post by: RobD on March 23, 2013, 07:42:52 PM
Post by: R.M. on March 23, 2013, 07:46:00 PM
Post by: RobD on March 23, 2013, 07:50:38 PM
Post by: rollingb on March 23, 2013, 08:53:54 PM
Quote from: "rfd"
thinking of trying a different brand for the pedersoli flintlock, what's yer fave - goex, schuetzen or swiss? why?I use Goex, and have been happy with it for many many years in all sorts of muzzleloaders and black powder cartridges,.... what are you using in your Pedersoli, and why are you thinking about trying something different?
Post by: ridjrunr on March 23, 2013, 08:59:57 PM
, some guns like one or the other a little better,either 2F or 3F.My CVA Mountain (.50 cal.) rifle does like 2F better and that is what was in my horn when I went to sight in the Pedersoli.
That's one of the fun parts of a new arm, learning and testing different loads to see what does best. Have fun!
Post by: RobD on March 23, 2013, 09:06:17 PM
Quote from: "rollingb"
Quote from: "rfd"thinking of trying a different brand for the pedersoli flintlock, what's yer fave - goex, schuetzen or swiss? why?I use Goex, and have been happy with it for many many years in all sorts of muzzleloaders and black powder cartridges,.... what are you using in your Pedersoli, and why are you thinking about trying something different?
good ol' goex.
... but the grass always seems like it might be greener o'er the next hillock ... ?
just wondering if i'm missing something with those other flavors.
Post by: rollingb on March 23, 2013, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: "rfd"
Quote from: "rollingb"Quote from: "rfd"thinking of trying a different brand for the pedersoli flintlock, what's yer fave - goex, schuetzen or swiss? why?I use Goex, and have been happy with it for many many years in all sorts of muzzleloaders and black powder cartridges,.... what are you using in your Pedersoli, and why are you thinking about trying something different?
good ol' goex.
... but the grass always seems like it might be greener o'er the next hillock ... ?
just wondering if i'm missing something with those other flavors. :laffing,..... you had mentioned "reliable ignition", so I thought you might be having trouble with that.
I doubt if any of the other brands are easier to "ignite" than good ol' Goex, but I've never done any actual experiments to see if such was the case.
Post by: Bigsmoke on March 24, 2013, 12:18:22 AM
I only use Ffg, but I don't shoot any of the baby calibers. When I get up to the big guns (8 and 4 bore) I switch over to Fg.
I tried Swiss but wasn't impressed enough to pay the extra price. Have tried some of the others, but didn't care for them enough to buy more of it.
I find the synthetic powders not worth shooting. With Pyrodex, I cannot help but get hangfires, even with musket ignition.
John
Post by: Roaddog on March 24, 2013, 06:48:02 AM
Post by: Uncle Russ on March 24, 2013, 01:00:26 PM
Quote from: "Roaddog"
Some say that Swiss is a cleaner birning powder. I have always used Goex and I gess I always will since I have plenty to last me the rest of my life.I suspect that's me too.
This is an interesting thread, simply because the Grass is indeed always greener on the other side of the fence.
I'm a fan of Goex, not just because I have a lifetime supply of it, but because I can't find a lot of fault in it.
Some folks do rave about the Swiss, and maybe rightfully so. Same with some other powders including Graf.
Others try to split some pretty fine hairs when it comes to their choice of BP, but I haven't been able to find those distinctions.
In fact, there was only one Black Powder that I have ever used that I felt was well below standard and that was a particular lot of Elephant FFg that I got In Golden, Colorado, at a Coor's Schutzen Match, about 15 plus years ago, I paid $20 for five 1# cans, and I ended up dumping every bit of it....Goex was about $7.00 a pound back then.
I have heard praise for modern day Elephant Powder but I haven't had the opportunity to check it out.
I have to think that any powder, being currently manufactured in today's market, has to meet a pretty high standard amongst the shooters, or it just won't sell, period.
Thanks to Captchee, Beaverman, and the guys at Green River Mountain Men, It will be a good while before I ever have to think about buying powder again...I still have several cans marked $8.95, but from there some goes to over $20.
It is $26.95 a pound at High mountain Sports, when they have it, and it's even more after driving 100 miles to find it in Wentachee or Spokane.
I don't think I would able to afford to shoot much at all, if I had to pay today's prices. In fact, I suspect I'm quite thankful for the little stash of powder I do have.
Uncle Russ...
Post by: RobD on March 24, 2013, 01:07:21 PM
Post by: rollingb on March 24, 2013, 01:17:18 PM
Quote from: "rfd"
i just ordered another 5lb of goex from mainepowderhouse for $119/shipped ... nearly $24/lb, and you might think "too much!", but for me that's actually cheaper than i can get it in person (meaning, a long driving distance). gone are the dayze of the local gun store or sport shop within easy reach and all loaded with good reloading supplies. heck, none have any selection of commerical ammo as of this week. the times they are a'changin' ....I fear the price of ALL types of powder,.... will do nothing but "RISE" in the foreseeable future.
Post by: sse on March 24, 2013, 01:25:01 PM
Post by: No Rod on March 25, 2013, 01:37:00 AM
Post by: Loyalist Dave on March 29, 2013, 08:00:31 AM
Goex has one more advantage over the other powders..., it's not imported, and you never know what the UN will come up with when it comes to export/import of gunpowders, but inside the USA is more secure. I figure if the company goes under because I'm using all imported powder and everybody else does so too, if those supplies are curtailed then who will produce powder for the American market?
LD
Post by: sse on March 29, 2013, 09:45:19 AM
Post by: Riley/MN on March 29, 2013, 10:20:22 AM
Quote from: "sse"
I prefer Goex, made in America, works good. I wish they'd produce a lot more and drive the price down.
:hairy
Post by: wattlebuster on March 29, 2013, 08:31:02 PM
Post by: No Rod on March 29, 2013, 08:33:08 PM
Post by: RiverCat on March 29, 2013, 08:59:24 PM
Post by: Captchee on March 30, 2013, 07:02:12 AM
I have tried most all the other powder to include most of the synthetics and still return to Goex .
Swiss is good . But like the others I don’t see enough performance increase to justify the added cost .
The last batch of powder I got from bear river , ran me 13.00 in the bag and 15.00 in the can .
Sure doest seem that long ago that it was 6.00 lb in the bag ????
Post by: Hanshi on March 30, 2013, 12:56:08 PM
Elephant worked fine for me but I preferred American made. Jacks Battle Powder, by Goex, is great powder and comparable to Goex 3F. It's cheaper, too. I must admit that if price becomes a problem I'd not hesitate buying Diamondback. Though a bit higher than Diamondback, JBP is my choice, period.
Post by: RobD on March 30, 2013, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: "Hanshi"
... Jacks Battle Powder, by Goex, is great powder and comparable to Goex 3F. It's cheaper, too. I must admit that if price becomes a problem I'd not hesitate buying Diamondback. Though a bit higher than Diamondback, JBP is my choice, period.
jbp pricing looks might good (these dayze)!
seems like it only comes in 3F.
what calibers you using it with?
have you tried it for flintlock flashpan priming?
it'd be nice to only need one powder, say 3F, for both barrel and pan with .45 to .50 caiber rock locks.
Post by: Two Steps on March 30, 2013, 03:10:16 PM
Post by: RobD on March 30, 2013, 04:01:18 PM
Post by: Loyalist Dave on April 02, 2013, 11:07:14 AM
I was told today that my normal outlet for powder for the reenactments isn't getting Diamondback right now..., no word when they will have it. BUT not to worry, as they now carry GOEX Reenactor Grade powder for 12.50 a pound, which is what we were paying for the Diamondback for making blanks ("Standard" Goex is $24 out here). AND..., this will support GOEX, an American Company. I've nothing against the imported powders, but if the price is the same and I can support an in-country business..., that's better (imho).
LD
Post by: Hanshi on April 02, 2013, 02:52:47 PM
Post by: Uncle Russ on April 02, 2013, 03:17:02 PM
I don't need any powder myself, but if I did I would certainly run out and get some JBP just to try it.
I would imagine such an affordable substitute among current Goex users would certainly be welcomed.
Little things, like the cost of powder, the price of a box of caps, the costs of flints, increased range fees, etc, etc, all has a major impact on our sport.
If there is product that will work just as efficiently, but cost less, I am all for it.
With today's economy and the cost of living at an all time high, we in the Muzzleloading community can use every little break we can get, and information such as this can go a looong way.
Uncle Russ...
Post by: bluelake on April 04, 2013, 06:26:49 PM
Post by: Ranch 13 on April 08, 2013, 12:13:15 PM
Also have been shooting some the brand new Old Eynsford and this stuff is fast and clean.
Post by: No Rod on April 08, 2013, 08:06:15 PM
Post by: david32cal on April 08, 2013, 08:43:45 PM
Post by: Loyalist Dave on April 09, 2013, 08:03:46 AM
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but for bp rockets, you do not want to use commercial brands.
Are you limited to using actual BP for your rocket work? I prefer R-Candy for fuel, but my experience is very limited. I have been asked to help with a Congreve Rocket Battery and demonstration for 2014, the 200th anniversary of the attack on Ft. McHenry and the writing of The Star Spangled Banner. Not actually an event at that site..., US Park Service frowns on actual projectiles downrange in many locations..., another park has asked for a static display, plus a demonstration firing later in the day. Don't know if we will actually do the firing..., Congreve rockets being overgrown bottle rockets and not very stable in flight.
LD
Post by: SAWMA on April 09, 2013, 10:12:02 AM
Post by: RobD on April 09, 2013, 10:26:41 AM
Post by: bluelake on April 09, 2013, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: "Loyalist Dave"
Quotebut for bp rockets, you do not want to use commercial brands.
Are you limited to using actual BP for your rocket work? I prefer R-Candy for fuel, but my experience is very limited. I have been asked to help with a Congreve Rocket Battery and demonstration for 2014, the 200th anniversary of the attack on Ft. McHenry and the writing of The Star Spangled Banner. Not actually an event at that site..., US Park Service frowns on actual projectiles downrange in many locations..., another park has asked for a static display, plus a demonstration firing later in the day. Don't know if we will actually do the firing..., Congreve rockets being overgrown bottle rockets and not very stable in flight.
LD
Actually, I had to use bp in my particular work, as it had to do with my original PhD studies (I am completely done now, having received my degree in February). I was familiar with rocket candy even back then, but just propelling a projectile was not enough, as it was the use of bp that was important (rockets streaking up into the sky was just a happy outcome). Commercial bp could not be used as it burns too fast; for that reason, it had to be made to burn slowly, which required custom-made. I compared conflagration rates of different bp (including commercial brands) and that went into my research.
Post by: greyhunter on April 13, 2013, 01:14:47 PM
Post by: Two Steps on April 13, 2013, 05:07:53 PM
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Always used Goex, goes boom every time. $24.99 a lb at Gander Mtn yesterday. Ouch, I remember $6.00 a lb., seems like only yesterday.You can still remember all the back to yesterday?!?
Post by: RiverCat on April 13, 2013, 07:58:08 PM
Quote from: "greyhunter"
Always used Goex, goes boom every time. $24.99 a lb at Gander Mtn yesterday. ;)
The over the counter price is gettin up there aint it
I paid a dollar less than that for the last pound I bought six months or so ago. Been thinking more and more about springing for a whole case through mail order to keep the cost down. Problem with that is I only go through on average two or three pounds a year and I like to buy from the only local place that still sells real powder. Used to be able to get it lots of places around here but they all quit selling it because no one bought it anymore. Had one place tell me they only sold two pounds of Goex in the last year they carried it and at that rate it wasn`t worth the money and hassle to stock it anymore. I can understand their situation completely but it`s bad for us folks that still use it.
Post by: RobD on April 13, 2013, 08:27:30 PM
get some guys together and make up an order. that's what i did.
$16 a pound sure beats $24 a pound.
and 50% savings is a nice thing today, even though you paid $6 per pound years ago. the way gun politics is going, flintlocks and black powder will be the idiot's next target. git it while ya can. just sayin', folks ..... no-brainer stuff.
Post by: Ranch 13 on April 13, 2013, 09:24:22 PM
Grafs will ship a minimum of 4 lbs,
Post by: RiverCat on April 13, 2013, 10:31:08 PM
Post by: RobD on April 14, 2013, 05:19:05 AM
however, NONE of my LGS's have bp, let alone smokeless, to sell.
it's a changing gun world out there, we can all see it and feel it and it's not a good thing for us ....
Post by: Ranch 13 on April 14, 2013, 11:34:26 AM
Post by: SAWMA on April 15, 2013, 02:59:28 PM
Post by: Bigsmoke on April 15, 2013, 04:11:35 PM
Quote from: "SAWMA"
Forgot to say that when i did purchase my Goex powder this last time, it came in one pound plastic containers. Thats a first for me, seemed a little cheap! Plastic and Muzzleloaders. :-O
Oh my goodness. The past meets the present. I remember when Elephant changed over from metal cans to plastic one. I also thought it looked a bit tacky!!
Oh well, save your old cans and repackage them out of the plastics. Nobody will ever know.
John
Post by: Uncle Russ on April 15, 2013, 06:51:22 PM
Quote from: "SAWMA"
Forgot to say that when i did purchase my Goex powder this last time, it came in one pound plastic containers. Thats a first for me, seemed a little cheap! Plastic and Muzzleloaders. :-O
Haven't seen that.....yet.
But I figured it was sure to happen.
And you're right, it makes things look cheap, plastic has NEVER had a place around muzzleloaders.
Uncle Russ...
Post by: greyhunter on April 15, 2013, 10:53:26 PM
Post by: Bigsmoke on April 15, 2013, 11:12:29 PM
It actually became my go to powder for my big bore guns where I was using Fg. I guarantee you if a powder is going to foul the bore, 400 grains of Fg will do it in a heartbeat.
Ah, those were the days. Nothing like going out to the range for a session of recoil therapy. Yeah!!!!!
John
Post by: Loyalist Dave on May 22, 2013, 09:04:39 AM
LD
Post by: Hanshi on May 22, 2013, 04:53:57 PM
Post by: wwpete52 on May 28, 2013, 05:08:59 AM
Post by: Hanshi on May 28, 2013, 12:19:01 PM
Quote from: "wwpete52"
Just use what ever you can find the cheapest.
Post by: Loyalist Dave on May 30, 2013, 09:33:48 AM
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(I am completely done now, having received my degree in February). I was familiar with rocket candy even back then, but just propelling a projectile was not enough, as it was the use of bp that was important (rockets streaking up into the sky was just a happy outcome). Commercial bp could not be used as it burns too fast; for that reason, it had to be made to burn slowly, which required custom-made. I compared conflagration rates of different bp (including commercial brands) and that went into my research.
Congratulations Doctor!
Any chance I can get a copy of your thesis?
LD
Post by: bluelake on May 30, 2013, 10:30:51 AM
Quote from: "Loyalist Dave"
Quote(I am completely done now, having received my degree in February). I was familiar with rocket candy even back then, but just propelling a projectile was not enough, as it was the use of bp that was important (rockets streaking up into the sky was just a happy outcome). Commercial bp could not be used as it burns too fast; for that reason, it had to be made to burn slowly, which required custom-made. I compared conflagration rates of different bp (including commercial brands) and that went into my research.
Congratulations Doctor! :) It's possible--I sent you a PM.
T
Post by: sse on May 31, 2013, 11:35:28 AM
Post by: KHickam on July 30, 2013, 08:39:20 PM
Post by: EvilTwin on May 17, 2014, 11:51:05 PM
JUST went through this thread. I am SOOOOO screwed!!! Ya see,besides 2 flinters(rifle and fowler) I also own/operate an original Sharps 45/110 buffalo rifle and a Shiloh Sharps 44/90 Sharps Bottleneck. I HAVE to buy my powder by the case. I go through a pound in one afternoon VERY often(Dang rifles are too much fun). I have been using KIK because it hydrates well and the fouling is easy to keep soft. I am one who believes that BP made without graphite glaze fouls less. Anyone else have that opinion????
Post by: snake eyes on May 18, 2014, 04:03:14 PM
Quote from: "wwpete52"
Just use what ever you can find the cheapest.
Pete,
The longer I am involved in this traditional B/P thing, the more I believe
your right. At least for myself, unless you really want to split hairs I find very little difference
as far as accuracy, from one brand to the other. If there is a somewhat advantage
it would be in cleanup from one to the other. For the last 12+years I have stayed with
3fff Goex exclusively because it is available,about as cheap as anything else around.
Oh,and one other thing when I mailed a letter asking for promotional items for my
local gun club,hats,patches, decals etc.....They were kind enough to send
a box of items. :shake
Post by: Riley/MN on May 19, 2014, 12:39:56 PM
Quote from: "snake eyes"
Quote from: "wwpete52"Just use what ever you can find the cheapest.
Pete,
The longer I am involved in this traditional B/P thing, the more I believe
your right. At least for myself, unless you really want to split hairs I find very little difference
as far as accuracy, from one brand to the other. If there is a somewhat advantage
it would be in cleanup from one to the other. For the last 12+years I have stayed with
3fff Goex exclusively because it is available,about as cheap as anything else around.
Oh,and one other thing when I mailed a letter asking for promotional items for my
local gun club,hats,patches, decals etc.....They were kind enough to send
a box of items. :shake
Snake eyes, don't be offended if Wally don't get back to ya right away. He has done passed on to that great rendezvous yonder. In fact, if'n you DO hear from him,,, well, you might wanna make sure you got things in order...
Post by: snake eyes on May 19, 2014, 06:14:54 PM
Sorry to hear that
snake-eyes
Post by: cyotewa on January 20, 2015, 10:21:45 PM
Gearhart-Owen bought the black powder business from Du Pont in 1972. Initially the cans were marked GO. A few years later you see GOI. For Gearhart-Owen Industries. Then around 1976 Gearhart and Owens split. Once Gearhart and Owens parted company the parent company name was changed to Pengo Industries. About that time we see the name GOEX appear on the cans. For Gearhart Owen Explosives. Even though it was no longer Gearhart and Owen together.
Post by: sse on January 20, 2015, 10:30:56 PM
Post by: Ranch 13 on January 21, 2015, 12:41:50 AM
Goex is only 16.20 a lb in case lots, delivered.
Eysnford is 17.40 a lb in case lots delivered.
KIK is 14.10 by the case.
And apparently that would be the new prices with the higher transportation and product price increases
Post by: sse on January 21, 2015, 08:24:14 AM