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Traditional Firearms => Flintlock Long Guns => Topic started by: Nessmuk on August 20, 2020, 05:41:23 PM

Title: I broke my fly.
Post by: Nessmuk on August 20, 2020, 05:41:23 PM
       Yesterday, I took my .50 cal T/C Hawken Flintlock to the range to see if I could qualify for the TMA Annual Challenge Match. I did the 25 yard Challenge but on my second shot on the 50 yard, I had problems. It would hang up at half cock when I tried to fire. I pulled the lock, cleaned it up, tightened screws, checked trigger clearances, reassembled it and it fired. Tried dry firing again, hung up. Tried disassembling again but no luck. I wasn't about to disassemble the whole lock at the range, I have an unfortunate knack for losing small pieces.
       Back home on the bench, with the help of the TMA search function. I found my Fly which should be rounded now looks like a tiny bear's tooth. A search of the Internet revealed Zero chance of buying a replacement. A used Fly on Ebay/Amazon would be dicey at best, not that I saw one. So my choices are, buy a used T/C lock of unknown quality from someone of unknown character or buy an aftermarket replacement.
     so after this long story, my question to you, my TMA friends. What do you think I should do? Used, New, if new which one? 
Title: Re: I broke my fly.
Post by: BEAVERMAN on August 20, 2020, 06:15:29 PM
Good luck finding a fly!,If your going to go with a replacement lock, this is the only one I've seen available

https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/724/1/LOCK-LR-03-F

they have a used TC lock for 159. so for 25 bux more you get a brand new lock
Title: Re: I broke my fly.
Post by: Nessmuk on August 20, 2020, 06:34:45 PM
Are the L+Rs worth the money, Jim?
Title: Re: I broke my fly.
Post by: BEAVERMAN on August 20, 2020, 07:25:25 PM
Are the L+Rs worth the money, Jim?

I have 3 L&R locks and never have had a problem with them, 2 caps and I rock lock
Title: Re: I broke my fly.
Post by: Nessmuk on August 20, 2020, 07:30:52 PM
That's good enough for me!!! :hairy
Title: Re: I broke my fly.
Post by: Ohio Joe on August 20, 2020, 07:37:37 PM
I have 3 L&R Locks as well (2 Flint / 1 Cap) and I have no complaints... Nessmuk, did you try Brownells and Numrich? Don't know if they'd have any or not, but also may want to check Dixie Gun Works???

Just out of curiosity, was your TC Lock the newer one with the coil spring or the old style Main Spring Lock??? I always worry when companies start going cheap parts - even TC wouldn't be above this before they closed their doors.
Title: Re: I broke my fly.
Post by: Rocklock on August 20, 2020, 08:17:53 PM
👍👍 for L&R.  I suggest buying direct from L&R same price and great service.
Title: Re: I broke my fly.
Post by: doggoner on August 20, 2020, 10:39:43 PM
Try https://thea.com/Black-Powder-Thompson-Center-Hawken-Lock/. They show a fly used once for about $12.00. Worth a try???

doggoner
Title: Re: I broke my fly.
Post by: Bigsmoke on August 21, 2020, 01:18:47 AM
Just out of curiosity, was your TC Lock the newer one with the coil spring or the old style Main Spring Lock??? I always worry when companies start going cheap parts - even TC wouldn't be above this before they closed their doors.

I gotta ask, Joe, when did T/C ever use a regular main spring on any of their locks?  I have been dinking with Thompson Centers since about 1970 or so, and the best I can recall, all I have ever seen on them has been the coil spring locks.  I used to have a little small parts box that I would take to rendezvous with my regular trade table back in the day, and I carried a complete set of parts for T/C rifles.  I supplied that box from Log Cabin Sporting Goods in Lodi, OH.  No idea if they still have those parts or not, but that would be worth a try.  Also, T/C used to have repair shops scattered around the country,  You might want to do a search and see if you can find any of those.  Or, the suggestions listed above are worth a try as well.

John  (Bigsmoke)
Title: Re: I broke my fly.
Post by: Nessmuk on August 21, 2020, 04:11:08 AM
My T/C Hawken has coil spring around a metal rod. It seems pretty stoutly made. No luck on new or used fly, everything  else, yes, but no fly.
I had several other items to get from TOTW, so I ordered from them.
Thanks to all for your help.
Title: Re: I broke my fly.
Post by: Ohio Joe on August 21, 2020, 08:25:00 AM
Just out of curiosity, was your TC Lock the newer one with the coil spring or the old style Main Spring Lock??? I always worry when companies start going cheap parts - even TC wouldn't be above this before they closed their doors.

I gotta ask, Joe, when did T/C ever use a regular main spring on any of their locks?  I have been dinking with Thompson Centers since about 1970 or so, and the best I can recall, all I have ever seen on them has been the coil spring locks.  I used to have a little small parts box that I would take to rendezvous with my regular trade table back in the day, and I carried a complete set of parts for T/C rifles.  I supplied that box from Log Cabin Sporting Goods in Lodi, OH.  No idea if they still have those parts or not, but that would be worth a try.  Also, T/C used to have repair shops scattered around the country,  You might want to do a search and see if you can find any of those.  Or, the suggestions listed above are worth a try as well.

John  (Bigsmoke)

John, you're right. I must have been thinking of some other company who switched from the standard main spring to the coil spring, but I can't remember who?  :shake