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Traditional Firearms => Flintlock Long Guns => Topic started by: Thunderhawk1828 on August 10, 2014, 06:40:48 PM

Title: Hooked breech Flintlocks?
Post by: Thunderhawk1828 on August 10, 2014, 06:40:48 PM

was lookong at the TVM Leman rifle and was wondering if anyone makes a custom hooked breech flintlock rifle (like the Lyman Great Plains)? Is the TVM hooked breech (doubt it)? I like taking the barrell out for every cleaning instead of every one in a while.

Anyone have experience with the TVM Lemans? Price (appears thy are adjusting their rice list at this time)?  

Thanks.

Thunderhawk1828

Title: Re: Hooked breech Flintlocks?
Post by: Captchee on August 11, 2014, 07:05:43 AM

i have made more then a few 1/2 stock flintlocks with hook breechs . i cant see why TVM couldnt do that for you if you ask them .

Title: Re: Hooked breech Flintlocks?
Post by: Thunderhawk1828 on August 11, 2014, 09:43:28 PM

Captchee:

Would agree and hope so.Will call and see about it and the cost.

Thanks

Thunderhawk1828

Title: Re: Hooked breech Flintlocks?
Post by: gunmaker on August 12, 2014, 03:11:17 PM

Lot of old English flint guns with hooked breech, flint & perc.....

Title: Re: Hooked breech Flintlocks?
Post by: cb on August 12, 2014, 06:51:43 PM

I think there's always been a bit of confusion when it comes to hook breeches - many folks think of a hook breech being a patent breech, but the fact is many hooked breeches are not patent breeches and not all patent breeches are hooked - it's the internal geometry of the breech that makes it a patent breech not whether it has a hook are not.
Back in the day a plain hooked breech was commonly known as a standing breech - these are most often a simple hooked plug screwed into the barrel with only the hook protruding and the tang included that standing face that this then hooked into.
here's some examples of period style standing breeches.

   Flint, hooked, English & American rifle, fowler & shotgun style breech plugs - Track of the Wolf  (http://www.trackofthewolf.com/list/Item.aspx/662/1)

Title: Re: Hooked breech Flintlocks?
Post by: sse on August 12, 2014, 07:15:51 PM

Quote

here's some examples of period style standing breeches.

put 'em in...

Title: Re: Hooked breech Flintlocks?
Post by: Thunderhawk1828 on August 12, 2014, 10:04:43 PM

Thanks Cap, Grey Wolf and all - I'm learning

Thunderhawk1828

Title: Re: Hooked breech Flintlocks?
Post by: Thunderhawk1828 on August 15, 2014, 06:55:01 PM

I contacted TVM and they were very nice, but they do not use / install hooked breech plugs.
I inquired about the price of a TN Rifle and the Leman and the TN Rifle basic is $1,200 and the Leman is $1,250.

Will need to wait a bit and do some more saving or go  another route.

Thunderhawk1828

Title: Re: Hooked breech Flintlocks?
Post by: cb on August 16, 2014, 12:31:09 PM

If your dead set on having a hooked breech flinter, Check with Tip Curtis
TIP CURTIS FRONTIER SHOP – Cross Plains, TN 37049 – Barrels | National Muzzle Loading Rifle Association (http://nmlra.org/awpcp/show-ad/12/tip-curtis-frontier-shop/cross-plains-tn-37049/barrels/)
He sells kits, guns, in the white, etc. all for very reasonable prices.

On the other hand I have shot flinters for 50 years and even with a standing breech I don't take the barrel out for cleaning except for maybe once a year or two and have never had problems. Especially with fullstocks that fore stock is real thin and is just waiting to get broken whenever the barrel is out.

Title: Re: Hooked breech Flintlocks?
Post by: Thunderhawk1828 on August 27, 2014, 09:31:56 PM

CB

I saw that there was another thread about a TOTW flint cleaning system - how do you clean the flintlock and not taking the barrell off? The concern is getting water under / between the barrell and the stock so no rusting, etc.?

Thanks.  

Thunderhawk1828