Post by: Muley on February 19, 2014, 10:30:06 AM
I bought some tung oil, and I thought i'd give it some protection and perk it up a bit.
Anyway, here she is.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/Jamnut/pix596263615_zpsdc1f51a8.jpg) (http://http)
Post by: Bison Horn on February 19, 2014, 11:13:26 AM
Post by: Muley on February 19, 2014, 11:17:04 AM
I believe they called this version the Renegade Hunter. They didn't make the barrel that way, but I remember it was in the TC ads.
Post by: greyhunter on February 19, 2014, 01:39:00 PM
Post by: Bigsmoke on February 19, 2014, 02:08:08 PM
Drop in's aren't the only way to do it. You could always get another barrel in .50 or even .54 and flop it in. If you wanted to keep the original one, I think Track has a T/C breechplug made by Pete Allen. A few minutes at a milling machine would take care of sight dovetails, underlug dovetail and then drill and tap the screw holes for the under rib and you're good to go.
I have often thought of getting another one in .54 and rebarreling it to .62. Those are fun.
Have fun with the Renny.
John
Post by: Hanshi on February 19, 2014, 02:13:07 PM
Post by: sse on February 19, 2014, 03:10:13 PM
Post by: Muley on February 19, 2014, 03:18:04 PM
Quote from: "Hanshi"
Though some disagree, I still think you have a reasonable .50 elk thumper. I also like the looks of the Renegade.
I managed to kill a cow elk with a .54 PRB, and 80gr of Swiss. It went through both lungs at 60-70 yds, but that was about it. You think a .50 PRB would be ok for a cow? I don't hunt for bulls anymore, because i'm too old to handle them now. A younger cow is good eating.
Post by: rollingb on February 19, 2014, 05:06:37 PM
Quote from: "Muley"
While I've taken my share of elk in the past, I've always used a .54, .58. or a .62 to do it,... and even then, a .54 can seem a little light at times for critters the size of elk.
You think a .50 PRB would be ok for a cow?
I suppose with good shot-placement, and done at close enough range to guarantee decent penetration, you'd probably be successful with your .50 PRB.
If I were to ever consider hunting elk with a .45, or a .50,.... I'd work up some good loads using conicals.
Post by: Uncle Russ on February 20, 2014, 03:14:18 PM
Here is what my old Renegade looks like, after about 15 years of getting "good" drop in barrels that would do what I wanted then to do.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/RussB256/Guns/4calibers_zps9535ee78.jpg) (http://http)
I also have a .45 cal barrel with 1:48 twist that is not in that picture.
Here is a picture of the loooong trigger guard that Tom (Gunmaker) made up for the old Renny....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/RussB256/Guns/DSCN0405_zpsb5bf9fff.jpg) (http://http)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/RussB256/Guns/DSCN0403_zpsf743adbd.jpg) (http://http)
Makes for a much nicer profile than all the whirly twirly guards found on the Hawken and many of the old Renegades. That trigger guard was the reason, years ago, that I choose a T/C Penn Hunter over a Hawken.
I like the guard on your gun a whole bunch better than that found on a Hawken.
In fact, yours is just like the Penn Hunter with a single trigger....most double triggers have always had the whirly twirly Hawken style guards.
Uncle Russ...
Post by: Muley on February 20, 2014, 03:24:51 PM
I agree about the trigger guard. It's what attracted me to my gun over that thing that the double triggers have. Yours looks great.
I found this barrel if I want to go to a .54, but I want to give the .50 a chance this year first. I don't want to use a conical. My heart is with PRB's. So, i'm going to do my best to make them work.
Thompson Center Renegade 54 PERC Barrel Pre Warning Unfired Vintage Nice | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/271405837849?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
Post by: Bigsmoke on February 20, 2014, 04:58:25 PM
I am thinking that even using a full jar of Bore Butter, you won't be able to squeeze the barrel into the stock. :rotf
I do think the .50 is a bit anemic for elk.
On my old Renegade, I installed one of the Hawken Shop Conversion trigger guards. Really Hawkenized it. Also had a Douglas .54 barrel 36" long, an iron nosecap, hooked buttplate, and a different set of sights.
John
Post by: Muley on February 20, 2014, 05:06:52 PM
The Renegade is 1" for the .50 and .54.
Post by: Bigsmoke on February 20, 2014, 06:30:12 PM
Guess that's what I get for trying to remember things.
It's been so long since I really paid much attention to commercial rifles, I guess I don't know this from that anymore.
Sorry for the inaccurate info.
But, I still think it would take a lot of bore butter to squeeze a 1" barrel into a 15/16" channel.
John
Post by: Muley on February 20, 2014, 06:35:39 PM
Post by: Uncle Russ on February 20, 2014, 06:56:12 PM
Quote from: "Muley"
I agree about the bore butter, but as hard as it gets in cold weather it might work. :bl th up
Uncle Russ...
Post by: Muley on February 20, 2014, 07:04:11 PM
Before that I tried all kinds of moose milk formulas.
Post by: Uncle Russ on February 20, 2014, 08:26:34 PM
There's at least as many formulas for Moose Milk as there are shooters, and each shooter seems to have their own favorite.
I suspect I have tried most, even some I dreamed up myself thinking this was the sure fire cure for all that ails, even many that I felt certain would improve my off-hand scores....but none of that happened, so I went back to the basis and I've never had reason to look back.
Still yet, things are looking up!
There is nowhere near the amount of magic formulas on the market today as there was just 10 / 15 years ago.
And, all the magic potions from the late 60's and early 70's seem to have all but disappeared, as we no longer need to mix our lube during a full moon, at high tide, with just the right amount of Bat droppings.
In fact, there's some pretty good commercial stuff out there, and a fella should find something he likes and stick with it. I'm thinking the Mink Oil you mentioned is a fine place to start if someone is just getting started in his search for that "just right" lube.
Of course, the old fashioned "spit-ballers" look at us out of the corner of their eye, while thinking we are all just a bunch of idiots on the search for the Holy Grail of tight groups, when they've know the secret all along.
And that my friend is just as it should be in these old eyes.
Uncle Russ...
Post by: Muley on February 20, 2014, 08:30:59 PM
Post by: Bigsmoke on February 20, 2014, 09:38:18 PM
I'll tell you what happened to me one day.
I was at a shoot where we all should have known better and stayed home in front of a fire with a nice hot buttered. This was probably the late 1970's sometime when I was young and dumb. (as opposed to now when I am now older and probalby less smarter. But no, we just had to brave that sub zero degree day and go shooting. If memory serves me correctly, (doubtful, but anyway) I was shooting a .62 caliber smoothy that day, using spit lube and a ticking patch. So, I take the patch out of my mouth, center it on the barrel, set the ball on it and give the short starter a rap with my hand. As I removed the short starter from the barrel, I happened to notice a little flat blue and white doughnut stuck on the long leg of the starter. What the heck, I thought. Sure enough, it punched right through the patch. Evidently the patch froze to the barrel and the force of me hitting the starter ball broke the patch.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
John
Post by: Muley on February 20, 2014, 09:42:18 PM
Post by: sse on February 21, 2014, 09:51:26 AM
Post by: Muley on March 19, 2014, 09:50:13 PM
.490 ball
.015 patch
mink oil for patch lube
80gr Olde Eynsford
Loads very tight, and absolutely have to swab between shots. This is my hunting load, but I shoot my hunting loads for target shooting. From a bench I was getting 1" groups at 50yds. I hate shooting from a bench, and only do it for sighting in a gun. Everything is offhand now.
Post by: gacop on April 13, 2014, 05:38:59 AM
Quote from: "Muley"
I just bought this gun for hunting bear, muley's, and elk. I haven't received it yet, and I hope it looks as good in hand as it does in pictures. It appears to be well taken care of. I had a renegade before, and I put the 1-70 GM barrel on it. I wish I could do that with this gun too, but those barrels are not to be found anymore. GM stopped making them, and everybody who stocked them have sold out. Too bad it was a great addition to the Renegade.One good lookin rifle! :th up
I bought some tung oil, and I thought i'd give it some protection and perk it up a bit.
Anyway, here she is.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/Jamnut/pix596263615_zpsdc1f51a8.jpg) (http://http)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/Jamnut/pix175061441_zps64dc3e4d.jpg) (http://http)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/Jamnut/pix489194445_zpsf48a2c64.jpg) (http://http)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/Jamnut/pix772344421_zpsec5cffb5.jpg) (http://http)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/Jamnut/pix268528201_zps1c7b44f9.jpg) (http://http)
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Post by: Hanshi on April 13, 2014, 03:05:19 PM
Post by: Muley on April 13, 2014, 03:11:00 PM
Hawken doesn't have any of this. I guess the Renegade would fit in the category of a trade gun in the old days. A simple workhorse, but kills them just as dead.
Post by: Uncle Russ on April 13, 2014, 04:33:26 PM
Quote from: "Hanshi"
The Renegade simply has it all over the Hawken IMO.
I feel the same, even though it hasn't always been that way.There was a time when the Renegade cost a little over one-half the price of a new Hawken, and the Hawken still out sold the Renegade by a large margin.
Personally, I even prefer the New Englander by T/C over the Hawken because of its simplicity.
It's too bad these nice rifles have been discontinued.
I personally believe there would be more of a market today for the Renegade and the New Englander, than there was back in the day they were being produced.
But that is only one person's opinion.
Uncle Russ...
Post by: buffalo pony on June 13, 2014, 03:42:03 PM
but I have no idea how you put pictures on here???
Post by: gacop on June 14, 2014, 05:43:25 AM
Post by: Muley on June 14, 2014, 11:03:47 AM
I've bought some real duds in the past. It's nice to get a good one for a change.
Mike Fink is happy too. I came close to giving him a new part in his scalp.