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Craftsmanship => Clothing and Other Crafts => Topic started by: Three Hawks on April 06, 2009, 12:48:39 AM

Title: How much fabric for a shirt?
Post by: Three Hawks on April 06, 2009, 12:48:39 AM
I need to know how much 45" wide fabric is needed for a men's XXL drop sleeve shirt.

Three Hawks
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Post by: halfdan on April 06, 2009, 12:52:26 PM
If you're making the traditional rectangles-and-squares style shirt, get 3 yards. If I remember correctly, the Eagle View pattern might take a bit more because of the shapes of the pieces.

Have fun,
Dave
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Post by: jbullard1 on April 06, 2009, 12:55:27 PM
I can't remember the width I bought but I got 4 yards of walmart onasberg and had a lot left over and my shirt was a XXL
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Post by: Fort Greene Ville on April 07, 2009, 12:10:51 PM
Three Hawks
I just asked the gal whom I've bought shirts in the past from. She said for a 45" bolt width 4.5 yds and for a 60" bolt width 2.5yds

FGV
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Post by: Fletcher on April 07, 2009, 01:11:44 PM
I asked my wife who makes all of our shirts.  She said 'check your pattern'! Duh...

It will tell you how much fabric is needed according to the size and options the pattern allows.

If you do not have a pattern - you should - she says.
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Post by: Three Hawks on April 08, 2009, 12:42:21 AM
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I asked my wife who makes all of our shirts.  She said 'check your pattern'! Duh...

It will tell you how much fabric is needed according to the size and options the pattern allows.

If you do not have a pattern - you should - she says.

If I had a pattern I would look.  I need to get the fabric ordered as there is a limited amount available, so if I fool around any longer I'll miss out altogether.  

I've had the Devil's own time getting the Museum's web site to accepth my Visa.   Tomorrow I'm simply gonna call 'em up and order 4 1/2 yards.  Whatever waste there is will go to make the small goodies I haven't yet got and don't know I can no longer live without.

Thanks for all the input.

Three Hawks
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Post by: ManyVoices on April 08, 2009, 01:32:06 AM
Three Hawks,
Your latest posting sounds most intriguing:  just what fabric that's available in small quantities from what museum is this????
(yup, I do a fair amount of sewing, too)

Thanks!
-Many Voices
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Post by: Three Hawks on April 08, 2009, 08:11:27 PM
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Three Hawks,
Your latest posting sounds most intriguing:  just what fabric that's available in small quantities from what museum is this????
(yup, I do a fair amount of sewing, too)

Thanks!
-Many Voices

 
Click here (http://http)  The Museum Shop link is on the left side.  

I've belonged to the Museum since about '80 ish.  

Three Hawks
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Post by: halfdan on April 08, 2009, 08:21:02 PM
That's a pretty snazzy looking fabric..ought to make a nice shirt.  To gut with the grain you'll need 3 yards; for an extra long shirt get 3-1/2.

Dave
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Post by: ManyVoices on April 08, 2009, 09:15:35 PM
Aha!  THAT Museum (silly me, I shouldn't be thinking of other museums while on this list  :lol:)  Saw some of that fabric at the gun show here in Monroe.  It was quite something!  As some of us say, just right for "period ugly" ie: stuff that's fabulously period, but most folks today just wouldn't wear in a modern situation!  You'll have to post a photo of your shirt when you're done!  I'm sure it'll be wonderful.

-Many Voices
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Post by: Eric S Campbell on April 09, 2009, 09:53:34 AM
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Aha!  THAT Museum (silly me, I shouldn't be thinking of other museums while on this list  :lol:)  

-Many Voices




Yeah who would have thought. About 90% of people on here seem to eat up the mtn. man thing. But to each their own.
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Post by: Three Hawks on April 09, 2009, 07:38:15 PM
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Aha!  THAT Museum (silly me, I shouldn't be thinking of other museums while on this list  :lol:)  

-Many Voices

Yeah who would have thought. About 90% of people on here seem to eat up the mtn. man thing. But to each his own.

That's because so far most of us on here are from West of the Mississippi.   In my case as far West as possible without my hat floating in the Salt Chuck.  


Three Hawks
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Post by: Eric S Campbell on April 10, 2009, 09:46:21 AM
My comment was really more to the people who do not research at all, and dress how they picture it to be in their heads. I have no problem with people who are out west, do good impressions, and actually wear some fabric rather than all buckskin.
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Post by: R.M. on April 10, 2009, 10:39:14 AM
Hmm, I didn't think we were judgmental on here. Guess I was wrong.
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Post by: Eric S Campbell on April 10, 2009, 11:14:36 AM
I am just a little.
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Post by: woodman on April 10, 2009, 11:48:45 AM
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My comment was really more to the people who do not research at all, and dress how they picture it to be in their heads. I have no problem with people who are out west, do good impressions, and actually wear some fabric rather than all buckskin.
  That would depend on what impression you are portraying in the west and what time of year. An engage for a company that came out for the summer rendezvous would wear more cloth than say a genuine Free Trapper that had taken on an indian wife and indian ways. In the journals there are references to Antelope hide shirts,leather pantaloons and leggings. Most of these we're heavily fringed.The references to Free Trappers looking like and acting like Native Americans abound if you do a lot of reading about the west.
  There is a group of modern researchers on the west that ignore these references , because they don't agree with there preconceived notions.
  There was no one uniform way that the Mountain Men dressed. There was a wide mixture of clothing worn, from voyeger to southwest to mixtures.
   I will have to dig it out but theres a Quote by Joe Meeks we're he talks about them dressing "Flauntingly" I have my ideas about what was meant by this, but it probably disagrees with others ideas of what was meant.
 Sorry for the rant,
 Woodman
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Post by: Eric S Campbell on April 10, 2009, 12:12:12 PM
I understand all of that. I never once said that it was not done. But you must agree that some people take it to far and that it is WAY overdone. It's just like all the longhunters, mark baker wanna be's, and white indian/ cour de bois in the east.

To each thier own I like to say, but that does not ean I have to agree with them though.
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Post by: Eric S Campbell on April 10, 2009, 12:18:58 PM
It seems I have led this thread off track. Sorry about that and back to the shirt discussion.
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Post by: tg on April 11, 2009, 10:16:45 PM
Maybe it is a case of making accurate observations rather than being judgmental?
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Post by: deadfallpaul on April 13, 2009, 12:51:53 PM
I agree tg.
I am from the east and it seems as though there are a number of people that have all the answers as to what is correct attire.
   It's not "PC" unless you agree with what they wear was the ONLY choice of clothing.
   They don't seem to understand that peole then, as they are now, were individuals and wore whatever they had or could round up.
It may have been something out of date or combinations of "styles".
Make do was the norm especially away from the coastal cities and with the "poor" country folk just as it is at present. '
  Practicality was the norm if there was a norm.
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Post by: Three Hawks on April 13, 2009, 08:51:50 PM
I'm mildly curious what all this has to do with how much cloth it takes to make a shirt.

As for trying to stay PC for the Mtn Man Rendezvous era, there is  a dearth of first hand information, whereas for Colonial and Revolutionary War era there are volumes of written information as well as huge collections of actual artifacts.  

There are organizations who do accurate re-enactments and require multiple prime references.   As far as I know, we ain't one of 'em.

If I had any idea wanting to know how much cloth I'd need would have caused this much of a hoo-raw I'd have stayed naked. :oops:

Three Hawks
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Post by: jbullard1 on April 13, 2009, 09:32:38 PM
3 hawks
I would prefer you buy 4 yards of cloth(any cloth) and NOT be Nekkid

My tired eyes can only stand so much more abuse
I am also of the None PC group if it looks sort of old then wear it :lol
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Post by: BEAVERMAN on April 13, 2009, 09:45:52 PM
Heck might as well get another extra yard and dress that nekid Ozzy too!
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Post by: deadfallpaul on April 13, 2009, 10:00:46 PM
Three Hawks I have seen a picture of you and believe me it's best for you not to go nekkid!!!
    I would be glad to chip in with anyone else of the same opinion and get you that cloth. ;-)
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Post by: Three Hawks on April 14, 2009, 12:28:32 AM
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Heck might as well get another extra yard and dress that nekid Ozzy too!

Ozzy has a fur coat.   I'm  the one here what's tryin' to build a shirt.

Three Hawks

(Sat- 4-18-09)

The cloth arrived in this mornin's post.  It is  purdy as a speckeled pup.  Now I have to find and contract with someone who can sew me up a shirt out of it.  

Ya see, I've tried sewing.   A man's gotta know his limits.

Three Hawks
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Post by: Three Hawks on November 22, 2009, 06:14:58 PM
Arrighty then,

I finally got off my fat a**, boxed up the fabric and a sample shirt that fits me, along with some Coin of the Realm, a card of  Olde Fashyndde looking buttons and a spool of matching thread then sent it via dead horse express to a highly recommended seamstress.  

The waiting game begins anew.    When I've recieved the shirt, I'll put it on with my spiffy buckskin pants and have my foteygraf made.   Then I'll struggle manfully to get it on here without breaking anything.  

I'll likely wear it to the Cascade Mountain Men Spring Show in far-off exotic Monroe, WA.   That ought to tone up the doin's some.

Three Hawks
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Post by: Kermit on November 22, 2009, 07:42:16 PM
Might tone it up MORE if you WAS nekkid. Sure give the flatlanders something to talk about besides all that unending yammering about guns and such.

I'll look for you there--either way.