Post by: Minnesota Mike on October 19, 2009, 11:24:16 AM
Traditional arrangement is to have one or two days of woodwalks followed by thrid day of punching paper at a 'scribe's match'.
(For newbies:
- A woodswalk is a shooting event along a path that involves shooting at a variety of target types, usually novelty targets, but all your shooting materials are carried with you. This is also referred to as 'shooting from the bag'. Shooting is scored in variety of methods, but usually is done on a score card each shooter carries with them and records hit/miss. Shooting is done by groups who proceed down the path with delayed intervals between groups so that you avoid bunching up at any target along the woodswalk route.
- A scribe's match is a shooting event on the range with paper targets posted on target frames. The paper targets are turned into a scorer (scribe) who calculates the score based on value of the holes made in the paper. Because this is shot usually at the range with loading tables, shooters can bring all of their shooting supplies and cleaning boxes with them. Shooting is usually done in timed relays with the range called 'cold' so that targets can be posted and retrieved.)
Observation was made however, that if one was trying to keep 'feel and flavor' of a primitive event, that a scribe's match kind of spoiled the atmosphere.
Would like to sound out the crew here and see what are some of the insights available regarding woodwalks versus scribe's matches - which do you prefer and why?
Thanks for the input.
r/
MM
Post by: BEAVERMAN on October 19, 2009, 11:32:52 AM
Post by: Gambia on October 19, 2009, 11:43:45 AM
Post by: Minnesota Mike on October 19, 2009, 12:05:52 PM
Beav - WHY do you prefer the woodswalks at a rondy? What is it that makes it more preferable?
Charlie - What makes that paper event from the bag more difficult that a woodswalk?
Thanks.
r/
MM
Post by: Bigsmoke on October 19, 2009, 12:14:39 PM
Now, as a more mature shooter (read that as older) with vision not quite as sharp as it once was, and no doubt a hold that has deteriorated as well, I am starting to prefer shooting at gongs and such, as a hit anywhere is a hit and that counts the same as a bullseye. Ain't life grand?
Post by: rollingb on October 19, 2009, 02:12:46 PM
I enjoy "both",... and I ALWAYS "load from the bag" regardless of what type of shoot I'm attending.
Post by: biliff on October 19, 2009, 04:36:21 PM
Post by: Hank in WV on October 19, 2009, 06:02:37 PM
As to walks being easier, I've shot some that were downright evil.
Post by: melsdad on October 19, 2009, 07:04:46 PM
Don't get me wrong I still like shooting paper, Heck I am one of the few that shoot the TMA postal shoots, and I credit those targets to most of my shooting improvements. It all boils down to the enjoyment of just plain shooting. I make smoke, and send lead flyin', and have fun shooting at either type of target.
Post by: BEAVERMAN on October 19, 2009, 07:07:55 PM
Post by: flyfisher76544 on October 19, 2009, 07:21:28 PM
Quote from: "biliff"
I prefer the trailwalk. Mostly because its fun and the targets are different. I can punch paper anytime but the trailwalk is something I don't get to do very often.
Yep, wish I had one nearby. All the different scenarios that could be put into a woodswalk, especially if it is kept hush-hush so the people competing don't know whats over the next ridge. Toughest shot I have seen was a cantaloupe that was lined on both sides by small trees so the window your ball had to go thru was no more than 6 inches at about 60 to 70 yards. Gongs are great, but something about exploding fruit and clay targets...well thats just good fun. Bud of mine had a great one we shot at before he got stationed in Alaska. 20 targets, every one of them was harder than the first and was more of a hunting scenario.
Post by: Thunderhawk1828 on October 19, 2009, 07:23:46 PM
I like the woods walk type shoots. I enjoy the different yardages involved and not knowing the exact distance. Plus the variety of targets and positions to shoot from (kneeling, standing offhand; behind some obsticle, etc).
If we're speaking of rendezvous, and the normal monthly shoots are mainly paper targets, then I would go with something different at the Rendezvous such as the trail walk. That said our smaller club rendezvous here in AZ is a combo of paper targets at 25, 50 and 100yds; paper target 25 yd pistol shoot; hawk and / or knife throw, trail walk and a Mountain Man Run.
Good luck with whatever you choose.
Thunderhawk
Post by: Sean McKown on October 19, 2009, 07:37:57 PM
I like the primitive stuff, but I do like the convenience of my box, especially since myself and a couple others are always asked for help when a problem arises, so the tools and stuff being handy, is helpfull.
Post by: Captchee on October 19, 2009, 09:37:43 PM
I have no problems with eyesight and can shoot paper just fine .
However what I dislike about paper is that it to often is at a set distance .
Also I dislike have a specific point . Simply because it does not teach you to shoot at anything but a defined point . In real life there is no defined point .
Thus clubs place 10 to 15 shots that = 25 to 30 shots on the trail you will see me just stay in camp . No need to waste powder and lead .
I find to often those who do well on paper don’t do well on trail walks even when the targets are large . Yet put those who are in the top 5 of a shoot on the trail will most often be in the top 10 even on paper .
Simply put , the trail makes you define a target , judge the range . Pick your shot ..
Get cocky and think a big target is easy to hit and your likely to be left standing wondering what just happened ..
At an event I helped put on some years ago , the club insisted on having paper . So I said fine . I would do the paper range . Target was a 12 inch solid black target with the ¼ inch X center 5 shots .
Next target was a white 12 inch circle with ¼ inch black X center . 5 shots .
Last target was a standard pistol target 5 shots .
All was scored on the tights group
You should have heard all the crying coming from the paper guys . Funniest thing I ever saw .
Ohm the did wonderful on the last target . But on the others which gave them no specific point of aim LMAO
Naa no paper for me
Want to show your marksmanship , then split playing cards at 15 yards . Take the tips off of matches at 15 yards or drive tacks or nails .
Put candles out or something . Even shoot balloons at 150 yards off hand .
But stand around poking holes in a piece of paper with funny pictures on it . I would rather put my eye out with a dull dear antler
did i ment i HATE paper
Post by: Gambia on October 20, 2009, 12:00:31 AM
Post by: cb on October 20, 2009, 04:02:43 AM
1) A wooden shingle with a black or white mark - these were traditionally shot at 6 or 12 rods = to 33 yards or 66 yards - just pace them off is close enough - everybody gets their own shingle closest to the center of their black mark wins. Cardboard can be used as a shingle.
Here's a description of Capt Cresap's Maryland Riflemen in the Rev War era shooting a similar match and shwoing off:
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A clap-board with a mark the size of a dollar was put up, they began to fire off-hand, and the by standers were surprised few shots being made that were not close or into the paper. When they had shot for some time in this way, some lay on their backs, some on their breasts or sides; others ran twenty or thirty steps and, firing as they ran appeared to be equally certain of the mark. With this performance the company were more than satisfied, when a young man took up the board in his hand not by the end but by the side, and holding it up, his brother walked to the distance and coolly shot into the white; laying down his rifle, he took the board, and holding it as it was before, the second brother shot as the former had done. By this exhibition I was more astonished than pleased But will you believe me when I tell you that one of the men took the board and placing it between his legs, stood with his back to the tree while another drove the center?2) Turkey shoot - they used to use a real turkey behind a log (see the movie Sgt York), but I've shot them with a lifesize (more or less) cardboard turkey heads on sticks with the head permanently above a log - again just pace off whatever distance you choose - 25-33 yards makes a tough target
3) Mike Fink shoot - the old tin cup on a head theme - since tincups are expensive and well heads are heads, mockup some "tin" cups out of manila file folder stock, fill with enough sand to hold them steady (or a small water balloon - gives a nice effect) then set on a wooden block about the size of a head...watermelons, squash, and pumpkins also make nice "heads" when you can get them cheap.....
Post by: Wyoming Mike on October 20, 2009, 09:16:36 AM
I also like woods walks and other primitive events. They are just plain fun and offer a variety of targets and can give plenty of opportunity for fun exchanges with the other shooters.
One of my favorite events is silhouette shoots with crows at 50 yards prairie dogs at 100 yards, buffalo at 125, turkeys at 150 and bears at 200 yards. The targets have to be knocked over. It is always a lot of fun.
Post by: mark davidson on October 20, 2009, 02:52:13 PM
Post by: Old Salt on October 21, 2009, 09:05:28 AM
I do however feel that shooting paper targets is a better learning tool for consistent shooting, since you have a permanent record of shot distribution. IMHO shooting paper requires a shooter to better understand what it takes to make consistently accurate shots at measured distances.
At a woodswalk a hit on the edge scores a hit when the same shot on paper results in a low value.
So to sum it up for fun and comaraderie I prefer a woodswalk, for overall shooting disipline I am better served shooting paper.
Salt
Post by: Ohio Joe on October 21, 2009, 10:42:19 PM
Post by: Three Hawks on October 22, 2009, 03:05:34 AM
At another rondy, half of one's score was novelty shoots, eggs taped to strings swinging in the wind, soda crackers lined up in a saw kerfed 2x4, balloons tied to the branches of bushes and some others I can't remember. (I blame the skull varnish.)
So not all targets have to be paper or at known ranges.
Three Hawks
Post by: Minnesota Mike on October 27, 2009, 01:19:56 PM
CB - the shingle shoot you mention is alive and well within the NRLHF rendezvous . . . called the Blue Jacket match.
Thanks agian.
r/
MM