Post by: IronDawg on November 17, 2009, 09:37:57 PM
What are these shoots you guys go to?? what do you shoot at?? how is it scored?? whats the average range?? And how do you find out where they are??
I'm.......... I'm just gonna go ......... go watch. yea I just wanna go watch. Sooooooo. tell me what they're like and what calibers most peoples use at em. Is it shoot watcha brang or specific rules and clases??
Post by: BEAVERMAN on November 17, 2009, 10:15:24 PM
Post by: Bigsmoke on November 17, 2009, 10:19:09 PM
What is shot at is pretty much at the discretion of the range officer. Some places cannot get away from 10 ring targets. Others have novelty paper targets. Others have steel targets of some sort or another. And still others have things like charcoal briquettes, spaghetti, potatoes, peanuts, ball and card splits, and whatever else they can think of.
And it depends on the shoot for whatever mechanical restrictions there might be. Some shoots will not allow adjustable sights. Some will not allow peep sights. Some do not allow shaders. Some say the rear sight has to be so far in front of the breech plug. It just depends.
The one thing that is universal is having fun is encouraged.
WHAAAAAT??? Ladies Panty shoot? Sounds like fun, what's that?
Post by: Three Hawks on November 17, 2009, 10:43:27 PM
What you really should do is grab your rifle and go to a shoot. I'll wager they'll push you right up to the line and have you shooting within minutes. I've never seen a black powder group that didn't work it that way. None of 'em I've ever dealt with ever met a stranger.
About the only hard and fast rules have to do with safety, other than that the rules are to help level out the playing field.
Three Hawks
Post by: biliff on November 17, 2009, 10:46:51 PM
The primary rules are pre 1840 style rifle with open iron sights firing a patched round ball, but I've seen later style CW rifles used at some of them as well. Depends on how liberal the sponsoring club is. Since the main event usually involves some knockdown targets and/or longer range shots most people use 40 caliber on up. Targets can be gongs, chains, springs, steel cutouts in various shapes, cutting playing cards, cutting strings, driving tacks, moving targets, knockdown targets,etc. etc. etc. Range to targets can be anywhere from 10 to 150+++ yards. Sometimes there's something extra like throwing a hawk or knife.
Each shooter usually gets a scorecard and shoots the course with at least one other person so you can help each other score. Most places don't require you to shoot in period costume but give you an extra point on your score card if you do.
There are usually "sub" events for pistol, trade gun and squirrel rifle with the trails tailored for each weapon type.
Finding your first rondy is a matter of asking around locally (or online) until you make contact. Once you find one you can usually get into the loop and get more info on others.
They're fun to do. Don't be afraid to ask questions.
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Post by: Riley/MN on November 18, 2009, 06:42:03 AM
Post by: IronDawg on November 18, 2009, 08:05:33 AM
When I ask why they say it's because I have the finest shooting flinter in the southeastern U.S. I tell them the shooter has to have something to do with that. Their response is yea what ever, if you can't make it tell us and well have someone come by and get yer gun.
I'm going to be honest with you. I started in black powder with a (word not allowed) rifle and honestly even though very intrested in sidelocks and flinters?? I sort of got scoffed at by those that shot them. Up until I finally managed to get one. Then and ONLY then would they respond to my million questions and treat me like I was a person. The issue was I only had one type reference and the second it was mentioned it was like they turned and walked away. Almost made me not want to be around them. two fellas welcomed me hard in to the fold and worked and encouraged me to get one and try it. One local, and one online (thanks cap).
See thats half of it. What I've personally saw makes me wonder how a stranger gets accepted. And I'd like to know what I am getting in to or what to expect. But then theres this.....
I've been told by a person I trust very much that people you meet and become friends with a traditional muzzle loading shoots usually turn out to be friends for life. I dunno if I'll ever "shoot" shoot. But I do believe I may try and find one to go show up at and look and learn. I sure like lookin at them guns.
Suck a jawbreaker down huh?? That sounds ta me like the day ya wanna be shootin a 54 instead of a 32!!
Post by: Wyoming Mike on November 18, 2009, 08:17:09 AM
There are also more formal target shoots where you shoot at paper targets for score at various ranges. These can include pistol, rifle, smoothbore, big bore and squirrel gun targets. Many times novelty paper targets are thrown the mix. In Wyoming we have the Winter Challenge which is 10 paper targets shot at 25 to 200 yards. There is as many variations here as there are in primitive matches.
Some clubs put on bench rest matches and some put on silhouette matches.
As for rifles, 50 caliber is a good caliber for most shooting. It has enough power to clang a gong well and does well with paper events carrying well at 100 yards and shooting flat enough at 25 and 50 yards.
Just go out and get into some matches. Even if you don't win, it's the most fun you can have with your clothes on.
Post by: rickevans on November 18, 2009, 10:57:40 AM
Post by: Kermit on November 18, 2009, 11:12:36 AM
Post by: woodman on November 18, 2009, 11:19:30 AM
Quote from: "IronDawg"
I've been told by a person I trust very much that people you meet and become friends with a traditional muzzle loading shoots usually turn out to be friends for life.That is probably one of the truest statements that I have read on this or any other board.
After a while of doing this sport or hobby whatever you want to call it. My rendezvous friends are closer than family and the ones that I know that when the chips are down ,they are there and ready to help how ever they can.
As my friend Preacher puts it " I'd take a bullet for you then ask myself.Why in the Heck did I do that fer".....
Woodman
Post by: BEAVERMAN on November 18, 2009, 11:50:17 AM
Quote from: "woodman"
Quote from: "IronDawg"I've been told by a person I trust very much that people you meet and become friends with a traditional muzzle loading shoots usually turn out to be friends for life.That is probably one of the truest statements that I have read on this or any other board.
After a while of doing this sport or hobby whatever you want to call it. My rendezvous friends are closer than family and the ones that I know that when the chips are down ,they are there and ready to help how ever they can.
As my friend Preacher puts it " I'd take a bullet for you then ask myself.Why in the Heck did I do that fer".....
Woodman
These statements are very true, most of my closest friends are front stuffers!
OK, OK, Ladies panty shoot, the ladies show up to the shoot with their rifles or pistol, whatever they want to shoot, target distance is 20 to 25 yards, the target holder is a stretched clothes line and spring style clothes pins, when the ladies are there, they have to remove their panties and hang them on the line, then shoot them off the line by shooting the clothes pins and not cutting the clothesline with the shot, cut the line, your disqualified, now that being said................. I've seen this a 2 dif rondys, PLR rondy in Sequim, and ours, most of the ladies that shoot have been rondying for some time and are pretty sharp cookies not to mention some of the better shooters we have out this way including our own Many Voices! they'll show up with the ol mans boxers over their own and under the skirts to shoot off the line! but it's still a hoot to be a spectator at, kinda like the chicken shoot Paul Bunyan puts on, or the Blood Shoot
Post by: IronDawg on November 18, 2009, 12:58:03 PM
If you can PULL competition out of things like that. You can still challenge and display your skills and not turn it in to a whos better thing.
Thats why I don't shoot archery tournaments anylonger. Got tired of all the back biting and anything to win attitudes.
What you guys are describing sounds like fun. And I'd be curious enough to cock a hammer at that "cut a playing card in half" thing.
Post by: BEAVERMAN on November 18, 2009, 05:47:01 PM
Post by: IronDawg on November 18, 2009, 05:58:50 PM
Post by: BEAVERMAN on November 18, 2009, 06:22:05 PM
Post by: Minnesota Mike on November 18, 2009, 07:08:04 PM
But in answer to your questions . . . essentially 'shoots' come in three types; Scribes, Novelty and Woods/Trail walks
Scribes - shot on a range from a firing line, may or may not have loading benches. Shooting at paper targets which are turned in and scored by a judge or scribe. This is a common type of shooting done by clubs at their local range. Load at the loading bench, step to firing line, cap or prime, aim in and shoot. Then back to loading bench. Shooting is done in timed relays - normally 20 or 30 minutes, after which the range is called cold so that shooters can post and retrieve targets. Once all shooters are back safely behind the firing line, the Range Officer will call the range hot and set timer for another relay.
Novelty - similar to Scribes except the targets are gongs or can or golf balls or etc., but shooting is done on a range setting.
Woodswalk - targets are usually of a novelty variety, but the shoot takes place along a prescribed path with various target stations assigned along the way. The main difference with a woodswalk is that you need to take everything along with you that you might need.
At our monthly shoots - which are usually scribes - we shoot at 25 yd, 50 yd and 100 yd targets. Normally it works out to be 7-8 shots at 25 yds, 10-11 shots at 50 yds and 10 shots at 100 yds.
We do woodswalks at three special events we host and a normal woodswalk is 8 stations, 2 targets per station - 2 points if hit on first shot, 1 point on second shot, no third shot. To keep things moving, two dead hammer falls counts as a miss.
Now the term 'aggregate' has been used - that normally comes into play in competition shooting where a couple of targets are combined together for a specific score. For example at the VA state championship we host, there is a 'primitive aggregate' which is a 3-shot squirrel target at 25 yds, 5-shot ground hog target at 50 yds and 5 shot bear target at 100 yds. All three targets are the aggregate.
Most paper targets have 10 points as the high value area with 'bullseye' marked as X - - the number of times the actual bullseye is hit is usually used as the tie breaker for equal scores.
Hope that answers most of your questions. If not, wrap 'em up again and let fly for another volley.
r/
MM
Post by: Captchee on November 18, 2009, 07:19:56 PM
When the chips are down or they think your having an issue , out of the blue comes a call or someone at the door just to check up and bring a smile to an other wise gloomy situation .
Case in point . We just had our BP clubs Christmas party the other night . I had 35 people in my home . Some of the folks came from 150 miles away just for the night .
Well at 1 am , most us still up were chatting and one of the folks phones rang .
Never a good thing at that time of night and this was no different .
A 200 mile drive was needed ASAP but no one asleep or up was safe to drive ..
The phone list of folks who shoot with us was pulled . Closest person picked and the call was made .
A sleepy voice on the other end said hello ??? ,,,, yep im on my way , be there in 15 minutes and they were ..
I also have never seen a group of people more willing to help someone new out . I personally have seen people offer to let a new person who seems interested barrow very expensive guns .
It usually starts with . You want to try this ? Well so happens I have a spare gun . Bag and horn . I cant take you out but ??? Ha Pete!!! you take this person out to the range ?? Ok so here is the gun and bag . Pete will show you how to use them . .
Enough said really , there just is for the most part ,no better honest people that can be found
As to the shoots . They can be competitions but most as beaver man stated , don’t care when it comes to prizes and such ..
In fact you more likely to have all kinds of yelling an kidding going on . Right along with a slap on the back .
If someone is the type that likes quite while they shoot . Well probably better not to go to some of the shoots because your likely to see folks yelling and kidding each other from one end of a trail to the other . Also know that ram rods ,,, well they work for other things as well as for what they were intended to do . Coughing . Yep .
Grass and dirt tossed in your ear just about the time your about to squeeze off , yep .
Cow patties coming out of no where , yep .
that’s just from other shooter . I have yet to mention anything about those who set up the course . They to like to get into it and its not uncommon to here : WHO THE HE77 SET THIS COURSE UP !! , that branch is in my way , the things right in the sun . how in the heck are you supposed to hit that thing ,
We are shooting what ?? From where ????
Its all in good fun and should be taken that way .
Now this isn’t to say there isn’t times things get serious . Long gong events start out all in fun . But when it gets down to 200 + yards off hand and there is only 5 or 6 guns left things get serious in a hurry and it quite when your up on the line .
However that doesn’t mean that after you shoot someone’s not going to call you a Dic& head for hitting the target LOL . While the prize may be anywhere from 50-100 buck for 1st place , 99% of the time those who win just donate the money back to the club for give us all such a fine weekend or day .
As to your first experiences .
Its hard to explain, but to be honest , I doubt there is a person here who doesn’t know exactly what your talking about .
I think it stems though from the very thing folks here have said .
There is for lack of a better word , a kinship, a kind of tie , that we all feel . Its a kind of commonality that runs very deep and is common .
While it sometimes also is seen in other shooting disciplines., I myself have never seen it as deep or wide spread as in traditional muzzleloading where its pretty much the norm .
Its hard to exsplain , but I think your beginning to see it and feel it .
What your experiencing now with the addiction , well I hate to tell you , its about to get much worse . At least if the shoots in George are anything like the ones back here .
Now if someone back here called me and ask me to a shoot , then when I said I couldn’t come , stated that they would come and get my rifle or basicly a ; OK well if you cant come , can your rifle .
that’s a traditional muzzleloading way of saying . ; ohm come on, come out and play .
Here I get phone call and someone on the other end says HA Two Feathers , you comin to our shoot .???
If I waffle and say ohm I don’t know , I got a lot around here to do .
I usually get a reply of . that’s ok , you cant shoot anyway .
Then its on boy .. Sometimes I go and they are right . Thus I get the see , I told you so .
But sometimes im on my game and thus I get ,,, MAN!!! You su$% were not going to invite you again . Followed by , ha stop by my camp later and have a cup .
Post by: Captchee on November 18, 2009, 07:21:00 PM
Quote from: "IronDawg"
That reminds me beav. I think you and me are needing to do some trading. I'm gettin really tired of reaching and grabbing that leather thong and pulling out my capper when I needed my pan primer or vice versa. Shootin multiple rifles out of one single possibles bag is getting old.
:lol: :lol:
oh ya , your feeling it . that hook is just going deeper and deeper .
Post by: IronDawg on November 18, 2009, 08:45:57 PM
I think it's time I raised her hunting challenges
Post by: Chairslayer on November 19, 2009, 07:07:23 PM
Quote from: "IronDawg"
That reminds me beav. I think you and me are needing to do some trading. I'm gettin really tired of reaching and grabbing that leather thong and pulling out my capper when I needed my pan primer or vice versa. Shootin multiple rifles out of one single possibles bag is getting old.
(In my best Jerry Reed imitation) SON! If you don't have a different bag and horn and all the rest of the possibles for each gun, you're falling behind! You definitely need to get busy makin, or tradin or buyin................
