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Traditional Firearms => Caplock Long Guns => Topic started by: Kermit on October 14, 2010, 10:16:49 PM

Title: Underhammers unwelcome?
Post by: Kermit on October 14, 2010, 10:16:49 PM
Seems another forum only wants discussion of "sidelocks." Before I bring it up (again?) here, should I take that part of my interest elsewhere?

No judgements, no worries here. Just need to know.  :?
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Post by: Two Steps on October 14, 2010, 10:24:10 PM
Discuss all ya want...under hammers are not a modern idea.  They fit well within the TMA guidelines.  If ya do a search, you may find some old threads on the subject...
Al
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Post by: Trois Castors on October 14, 2010, 10:28:44 PM
Bring it on!
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Post by: Bigsmoke on October 14, 2010, 11:24:22 PM
Underhammers - the Studebakers of muzzleloading.
I'd have no problem with your talking about them.  Heck, I almost bought Pacific Rifle Works some time back.  I really liked Roger's Zephyr rifle.
John
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Post by: Captchee on October 15, 2010, 08:12:02 AM
i dont recall anyone here having an issue with underhammers  being discussed .
 they are period
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Post by: W. Welshman on October 15, 2010, 09:41:58 AM
Yes they are ,Kermit start singing I love under hammers
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Post by: Kermit on October 15, 2010, 11:18:39 AM
I have no problem with a lack of support for underhammers, since there's a statement--which I admit I'd forgotten--that they are dedicated to "sidelock" firearms. I just wanted to be sure I wasn't crossing any forum lines here. I participate in a bunch of forums, some more, some less, and appreciate each and every one. Heck, I make visits to a forum limited to Chevrolet in-line (sorry for that word!) six cylinders.

I suspected that since caplock revolvers were part of this forum, that less common period guns were covered here.

I've got an underhammer coming into my life at some point. Colerain is making me a 12ga barrel with a breechplug for an underhammer action, and John Taylor has the action waiting for fitting. This is probably in the realm of "fantasy guns," but then so are most of my flinters since they are not copies of originals, but more based on...

After that shotgun/fowling piece I'm already thinking of a light smallbore for my wife. She's small and experiencing the effects of arthritis, so she's only shooting rimfire these days. She also doesn't care for the flinter flash, so I'm thinking a nifty little underhammer might be the ticket. Sort of in the style of guns I've seen be Brent Gurtek who puts great furniture and inlays on his.

Anyway, thanks for the reality check! :shake
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Post by: W. Welshman on October 15, 2010, 12:59:39 PM
Kermit here is the 50 cal that Capt built for me a few years back. Sweet gun joy to shoot.


(http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad117/SHORTARM1/DSC_0042.jpg)

(http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad117/SHORTARM1/DSC_0037.jpg)
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Post by: smokinbuck on October 15, 2010, 04:52:32 PM
Kermit,
I really like the underhammers. I have a 12 ga trap gun, a chunk gun, an offhand rifle and a switch barrel for my grandson that goes from 20 ga to .36. All of these are on H&A or Deer Creek actions.
Mark
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Post by: Spotted Bull on October 15, 2010, 07:09:36 PM
Quote from: "W. Welshman"
Kermit here is the 50 cal that Capt built for me a few years back. Sweet gun joy to shoot.


(http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad117/SHORTARM1/DSC_0042.jpg)

(http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad117/SHORTARM1/DSC_0037.jpg)

That's about the prettiest rifle I have seen, not to mention underhammer!!
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Post by: Kermit on October 15, 2010, 07:24:11 PM
Smokinbuck! Got photos???
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Post by: smokinbuck on October 15, 2010, 08:08:11 PM
Kermit,
I do have photos but can't post them. I can send them to you if youwant to see them or post them for me.
Mark
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Post by: Kermit on October 15, 2010, 08:15:58 PM
Smoke!
PM...
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Post by: Gordon H.Kemp on October 16, 2010, 08:18:03 AM
I have no problem with  underhammers , if a deal came along  i'd have one myself! I think the Studerbaker  term is good , they were a little ahead of their time .
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Post by: Hanshi on October 16, 2010, 01:59:41 PM
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This old H&A .45 was my very first ML.  We've had many adventures together and it is still a tack driver.  It must be around 45 years old.  American made back in those days.  It's a bit worse for wear and has had a couple of "fixings" but is hanging together.
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Post by: Uncle Russ on October 16, 2010, 03:51:07 PM
I never owned one, but I have always been truly amazed at these things.

My friend over in Olympia WA owns one made by Pacific Rifle Works I think, and he had his made up with a fast twist for Elk Hunting.
I don't recall the twist, but it is in .58 caliber...he had Dan at Mountain Moulds make up a couple of moulds for the gun, and it is a real shooter, even with one of his bullets weighing more than the other he doesn't need any sight adjustment except for range, and I  find that truly remarkable!!

I've told this before, but yat-ta-hay..I remember the days back when I was in the Army and overseas. On occasion we would get magazines from the USO.
One such magazine was dedicated to the Hopkins & Allen Under-hammer. I made the statement that I thought it was neat and would like to own one....I must have carried that magazine with me for a month or more.
The guys all laughed at me saying, "that was certainly the ugliest rifle on earth" and quickly tag'd me with the name "Ol' Hammer-Down Under"!   :(

Yup, me and that under-hammer go back a long ways, and I still don't own one.
Although I have been thinking about visiting Lynn, over in Idaho, and "borrowing" his for awhile....like that's going to happen.

Uncle Russ...
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Post by: W. Welshman on October 16, 2010, 11:56:27 PM
Uncle Russ ,My fine under hammer is going deer hunting next week. I would love to break it in on one of these Idaho white tails . Now would you like to shoot it or just look at it ? It may need a vacation in a few weeks. Take care young man
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Post by: Uncle Russ on October 17, 2010, 12:31:43 AM
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Take care young man

Tell me now, how can you help but love a guy like that!....Or, was he just being facetious? :shock:

Nope, not Lynn, he's not that kind of guy.

Thanks Lynn, I appreciate that nice gesture. I personally know how much you like that gun.
Remember? Jan and I were with you when Charlie delivered that beautiful thing. I just knew Jan was going to say, "Oh, how nice, can I have one too"?
I think I would be afraid I'd scratch that beauty up during hunting season, probably end up being a wall hanger at my place.  

You take care, my friend...and be safe.

BTW: Walleye and Crappie bite during hunting season too, don'tcha know.

Uncle Russ...
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Post by: W. Welshman on October 17, 2010, 10:53:30 AM
Yep,Keep it warp up in that blanket for weeks. Charlie doesn't know how close they came from the raiding party.We just needed a few more guns.
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Post by: Kermit on October 17, 2010, 11:35:18 AM
Quote from: "W. Welshman"
We just needed a few more guns.

Words to live by--just tell my wife! :shake
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Post by: Martin_G on October 31, 2010, 01:41:47 AM
Hi Kermit,


Did'ja know those underhammers are "backerds", Oops, I meant upside down! LOL!


Actually, they have a streamlined look to them, almost like a sports car to a degree, and they also look like they're balanced good as well but I've only seen them in pictures so far.

I'd really love to have an opportunity to shoot one but I don't know anyone who owns one locally.
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Post by: smokinbuck on October 31, 2010, 10:37:04 AM
Martin,
Where is "locally".
Mark
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Post by: Martin_G on October 31, 2010, 05:35:30 PM
Hi Mark,


I live in Maryland about 1/2 hour south of downtown Baltimore.
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Post by: smokinbuck on October 31, 2010, 07:52:56 PM
Martin,
Sorry about that, I'm in central Ohio and was going to offer you some time behind an underhammer. If you get the chance, take it, they are fun to shoot and a little different.
Mark
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Post by: Loyalist Dave on November 01, 2010, 07:07:27 AM
Martin_G,

If you live south of Baltimore, then how come we never see you at Jerusalem Mill Village?  Ya should come up and say hello some time, hon!   :)

I've been trying to get my brother interested in an underhammer, as he's a south-paw, and I'm a righty, and when I go visit him out West, I could borrow his gun..., he's not keen on BP yet.  

http://www.jerusalemmill.org/

LD
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Post by: Trois Castors on November 11, 2010, 08:17:14 PM
Mowbray Publishers has just released a new book
called Early American Underhammer Firearms:
A Collecter's Guide to the Pistols and Longarms
made between 1826 and 1840

http://WWW.GUNANDSWORDCOLLECTOR.COM (http://WWW.GUNANDSWORDCOLLECTOR.COM)