Post by: baloubear on January 16, 2011, 02:22:30 AM
blood on your shoes,
-Brian
Post by: Captchee on January 16, 2011, 10:03:23 AM
You might talk with Joe and his wife there at the emporium . They are good folks .
Joe also runs Oregon barrels so he can do you up a barrel if need be .
So go in and have a cup of coffee . Joe like to talk so have him show you what they assemblies actually entail
Now you say Hawkens/ Jaeger rifle . Is this to be a hunting gun or something closely historically correct ?
While Jaeger means hunter , a Jaeger isn’t a Hawkens nor is a Hawkens a Jaeger .
If it were I who was building your rifle , this is what I would suggest.
A plains style double pinned stock as a base .
This IMO needs to be of good wood . Not run of the mill maple . It needs to be dense and heavy blank . Personally , I would not get that from Joe . but he may have something that will work for you . If you go with a pre carve from Joe make double sure the grain run through the wrist proper . Very ,very important for what your doing
Now you say conical friendly . Are we talking solid lead conical ?
Is the gun to be a dedicated conical shooter ?
If so then I would go a 1 in 36 or a slower 1 in 48 twist . If its to be both RB and conical , then I would go with the 1 in 48 twist .
For a barrel I would go 58 cal swamped barrel in 34-36 inch length “ 37 would be my preference with under rib and a snail type breech .”properly faced “ .
the 58 will give you a few choices of marketed conical design . vs. the 62 is going to be basically a custom bullet . What im getting at here is the 58 cal will give you a readily available group of projectiles ranging from 300-530 grains to chose from . This is important because it gives you a better choice to find what your new rifle likes to eat .
Your wont find that in the 62.
For a lock I would go with a Davis or chambers lock. An L&R would also be ok . But IMO the Davis and chambers locks are far better locks and only cost a little more .
Also Davis makes a lock , breech and tang set that all match .
A good set of Davis double set “double bar” triggers . Thus you will get the option to either use a hair trigger or a more heavy hunting trigger .
if you want the single trigger i would have a return spring added .
this will help reduce any play in the trigger as well as hold it tight to the sear .
i would also add in a large loop trigger guard for the single trigger . that way if your wearing gloves your finger will more easly fit
The sights are really up to you . Especially if your not trying to follow a historic example closely . So you could go with say a standard fixed open sight .Or you could even go with the later Winchester style leaf sight found on the later Hawkens rifles .
For hardware the only recommendation I would give is to not go with a deep cresant butt plate . You want something more mellow .
The reason I say this is from the photo you posted in the hunting section , you look like a heavy built fella . You need a rifle with the proper drop and pull . If you don’t get that and you add in a deep cresant butt plate it libel to be alittle uncomfortable shooting with heavier loads .
the rifle is still going to be nose heavy . but you should be able to come in in the 9-10lb range
now the trick is going to be finding that barrel in a good lenght , with the proper twist to get the wait down
you could go shorter with a strait barrel though .
Post by: biliff on January 16, 2011, 12:31:38 PM
I'd talk with Joe and see if he can set you up with parts for a left hand version of their English Sporting rifle.
Post by: BEAVERMAN on January 16, 2011, 12:34:08 PM
Post by: baloubear on January 18, 2011, 12:11:03 AM
As far as sights go, I like the ones on my M1 Garand the best
. The first attempt will be a nice thick post up front with a buckhorn rear, we'll see if I can hit anything with those. The projectile will be a conical. Balls are terrific up close, but even in the tight woods (brush) of the Oregon coast, the average shot is around 100 yards, so I imagine the retained energy of the conical is going to work better.
It's good to know there are double sets with a reasonable non-set mode. The few I've tried haven't impressed me.
No doubt, I am looking at a difficult project and have no illusions of creating a masterpiece, but with a daughter headed to Oregon State University next year, a custom built rifle for a tag I may not draw is not in the cards, besides that, I like difficult projects that are over my head.
Best regards,
-Brian