Post by: carey on March 05, 2011, 06:32:46 PM
Newbe - "Itchy Twitch"
What is the reliability in missfires for the #10 vs # 11??
Maybe I didnot explain very well. I just bought a used TC Hawkin 45 cal and the nipple that was on the gun would not allow me to load the gun in the half cock position an it was a nipple for #10 caps. Hmm. I bought the replacement nipple from (Wolf as recommended) which is short enough to allow me to cap the nipple in the half cock position NOW. "Which I Like" Only problem is that the new nipple is also for a #10 cap which fits very well. Buttt - In the old TC Hawkin book they say use a #11 Cap.
Is the #10 cap the same physical size as the #11??
Is there a power difference??
Can I use the #10 caps without a problem??
Post by: Kermit on March 05, 2011, 06:51:46 PM
Post by: sse on March 05, 2011, 07:19:56 PM
Post by: Bigsmoke on March 05, 2011, 07:32:10 PM
I have used them both on the same rifle and never noticed a performance difference.
What could make a difference though, is the nipple you replaced your original with.
Also, if for the sake of arguement, you were using RWS 1075 caps on your original nipple and now for the #10's you are using CCI's, the CCI's are a milder cap than the RWS. In that case, there will be a slight difference. The chronograph might give you a few FPS varriance, but the real difference will be reliability. I don't think the CCI's are nearly as hot as the RWS.
One of the golden rules is to only change one thing at a time.
Hope this helps somewhat.
John
Post by: Swamp on March 05, 2011, 07:59:44 PM
Where did you get this new nipple? If I were you, I'd buy a new one for your TC Hawken. Thread size is 1/4 - 28. Make sure you get one for the Hawken, and not the Seneca rifle.
For rifles, I would only use the #11 cap.
Post by: Kermit on March 05, 2011, 09:01:28 PM
Post by: Bigsmoke on March 05, 2011, 11:00:24 PM
I don't think the Seneca/Patriot nipple woulld install very good. It is #12 threads of I forget what pitch. A little small in a 1/4-28 hole.
I think you will find the stock T/C nipple will work pretty good. Their version of the Hot Shot nipple is a bit of an improvement. The MSM nipple is real good. I would steer clear of the Treso nipple and anything made in Italy, Spain or China.
Post by: Fletcher on March 05, 2011, 11:34:31 PM
Post by: Swamp on March 05, 2011, 11:47:20 PM
Post by: snake eyes on March 06, 2011, 03:50:43 AM
the cap size. I even replaced the nipple of one of my Investarms
.50cal with a musket nipple.Only thing I accomplished was paying
more for caps. Also although I had no problems with ignition,
I learned real quick to wear shooting glasses.Pieces of those caps
went everywhere.I assume because the caps were too large for
the hammer. Live & Learn!
snake-eyes
Post by: Captchee on March 06, 2011, 01:05:23 PM
yes #10 is for revolver pistols .
#11 will work on a #10 nipple but #10 caps are troublesome on a #11 nipple .
so you should be fine your new nipple just has a slightly smaller neck
Post by: Uncle Russ on March 06, 2011, 02:22:36 PM
Like several others, I have noticed no difference as both fit, both seem to fire the same, and I've personally never had a problem.
However, I had a chart once the gave "measured' sizes of all the caps available, and they are were all a bit different...as little as ten-thousandths, but still a wee bit different.....I do remember Remington being the largest on that chart.
(I thought I had posted that chart here, but I can't find it....not the one for nipple size, but the one for cap size.)
IMO, cap sizes have never really changed, while nipple sizes have varied just a little from manufacturer to manufacturer over the years. Of course that's just an observation and may have no validity.
I have always followed the rule that #10's were for pistol and #11's were for rifles...although I have fired #10's on a rifle, I never tried #11's on a pistol....don't know the reason for this, but I can't remember a single incident where I tried it.
And, like Snake eyes, even though a Top hat Musket cap is considered ten times hotter, other than cost I have never been astute enough to see any difference whatsoever.
My recommendation; if it works, if ya got 'em....then shoot 'em. But don't go buying 'em when #11's are available also.
Uncle Russ...
Post by: carey on March 06, 2011, 08:08:54 PM
Thanks
Post by: Bigsmoke on March 06, 2011, 08:57:35 PM
And the problem with ordering them from a business and having them shipped to you is that you have to pay HazMat charges on them. What is that now, $23 or so? That means that if you do buy them on line or catalog, you better buy a bunch to make it worth while.
Another idea is if you cannot get caps to fit the nipple well, then make the nipple fit the caps. Put in a drill and while spinning it, file down the nipple to fit the caps.
John
Post by: Trois Castors on March 06, 2011, 09:13:49 PM
Quote from: "bigsmoke"
Another idea is if you cannot get caps to fit the nipple well, then make the nipple fit the caps. Put in a drill and while spinning it, file down the nipple to fit the caps.You can do this in a lathe if you have access to one. I have had to do this.
Post by: snake eyes on March 07, 2011, 06:02:26 AM
Quote from: "bigsmoke"
Carey,John,
And the problem with ordering them from a business and having them shipped to you is that you have to pay HazMat charges on them. What is that now, $23 or so? John
The last couple times I ordered caps, I got them from
Dixie GW.They came ground mail, with no haz-mat fee. If it requires a haz-mat fee they will mention it in the add.There is none mentioned for any of their caps.Don't know why,but I am not about to ask them :shake
Post by: Bigsmoke on March 07, 2011, 11:25:17 AM
I would not have thought that caps were an item that could be legally mailed, either.
Very interesting. Hope it never comes back to bite them (DGW) in the a$$.
John