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Title: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: KHickam on July 07, 2011, 12:58:02 PM
I have been looking at 36 caliber rifles and was wondering what uses the 36 is good for - I already have a 50 caliber rifle and a 20 ga fowler.

Is it worth spending the money - I do occasionally shoot prairie dogs and squirrels

Dan'l
Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: Loyalist Dave on July 07, 2011, 02:26:03 PM
It works for rabbits, squirrels, fox, prarie dogs, feral cats, and ground hogs.  They are usually smaller and lighter than larger calibers, so are great for all day small game hunts, and great for kids to learn or to hunt with.  

LD
Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: rickevans on July 07, 2011, 03:12:30 PM
What the Loyalist said, and turkeys too. Depends on the state regulations. Also the odd tin can, bar of soap, egg on a string...very effecient and economical on led and powder too.
Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: Longhunter on July 07, 2011, 03:52:21 PM
I've had a couple .32 flinters and love em for squirrels. I've killed groundhogs and once shot a crow with my .32. A friend is building me a .36 and I'm looking forward to finding out the difference between the two calibers.
Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: twobarrel on July 07, 2011, 10:53:13 PM
:Doh!  Do you really need a reason to get another ML ?
Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: snake eyes on July 08, 2011, 04:38:18 AM
Quote from: "Loyalist Dave"
It works for rabbits, squirrels, fox, prarie dogs, feral cats, and ground hogs.  They are usually smaller and lighter than larger calibers, so are great for all day small game hunts, and great for kids to learn or to hunt with.
Quote from: "twobarrel"
:Doh! Do you really need a reason to get another ML ?

What they said.But I do use a .32 exclusively for squirrels. And my .36 for
anything under deer.... .36 not legal for deer in Ohio.It is a great gun in training first time shooters of a M/L. My 10 year old twin grandaughters have fired mine from a bench,and loved it.I am not sure the experience would have been the same offhand.But I do know they were not afraid of shooting
the .36 from the bench,after watching my son fire it. But I am sure the same claims could be made for the .32 or .40. IMO.
John :shake
Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: Forager on July 08, 2011, 10:07:34 AM
I figure my best excuse to get a .36, eventually, is that I already have a pretty good supply of roundballs and old T/C Maxi-Balls for a .36.  And, if it's twisted right, I can't see how a .36 wouldn't do well with soft-case HBWCs, etc., from a .358"ish mold.
Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: rickevans on July 08, 2011, 10:38:53 AM
Now that would make an interesting squirrel gun there. Proper bore size and fast enough twist to use swagged HBWC. Dang...
Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: Forager on July 08, 2011, 01:08:05 PM
Figure I've had that thought regarding .32s and .312"s, .36s and .358"s, and .45s and .452"s.  The ability to sling a 90-110 grain pill in the .32, a 148-180 in the .36, and 200-300 in the .45 adds a whole new wrinkle to capabilities, doesn't it?  That, without even discussing other options/capabilities/compatibilities we can't/don't discuss here.
Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: david32cal on July 08, 2011, 02:27:31 PM
i have taken coyotes cleanly out 60'-80' yrd's with my .32's,i would think a .36 would be good for about any small game.
Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: vthompson on July 09, 2011, 03:27:04 PM
I have a 36 cal., and I just love it. I got it to squirrel hunt with and just to plink around. I got a few squirrels with it last season and I also used it to spring turkey hunt with this past spring. I can only say good things about it.
Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: Uncle Russ on July 09, 2011, 08:45:28 PM
Two rifles I have never owned, but always wanted, is a .36 and a .40, and I have owned, at one time or another, probably well over 150 maybe 200 personal guns, sold and / or traded probably well over a thousand or more.....that's what you do when you trying to scratch a living out of a gun shop.

Having said that I will say I have personally owned several, likely six or eight, .32 caliber rifles and I can only see the .36 as being a step or two above the .32, and that is saying something.

I have been more impressed with the energy derived from a lowly .32 than I have by my all time favorite the .58 cal.
With the .58 you are expecting to see something big, bad and ugly happen when you touch one off, you are not expecting that from the lowly .32, but that is just what you get.

I am speaking of a distance of fifty yards or less, I understand they really run out of stream fast at anything over that distance, but my experience with this little stick of dynamite has always been limited to less than fifty yards.

I have never shot any game other than a few squirrels and a wabbit or three with the .32!

However, I have "killed" a ton of rocks, and different size tin cans that looked like they might attack, along with numerous pieces of dangerous looking lumber including 2x4's, 4x4's and assorted 2x6's...and this is where the "impressed part" always came into play....you simply can't believe what happens to a 4x4 until you've popped one with the little "three-two"....... seeing is always believing.
And, since I strongly believe what I just said, I will add that the little "three-two" is NOT the .22 long rifle of muzzleloaders, it is far, far, above and beyond that,  with possible range restrictions...and the .36 should only be more of a good thing.

Just my thoughts.
Like everything else in life your own mileage may vary a bit, but I have a strong feeling that if you own one, or even both of these little rifles, you're going to agree with me.

Uncle Russ...
Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: snake eyes on July 11, 2011, 06:53:17 AM
Russ,
I have two .32s and one .36. I agree with your 50yd limit on the .32,although
I try to hold mine to 35yds,just because(things get blurry beyond that).I know you don't have  such problems. :shake
Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: Uncle Russ on July 11, 2011, 01:30:50 PM
Quote
I try to hold mine to 35yds,just because(things get blurry beyond that).I know you don't have such problems.

Geeesh, Snake....how nice of you, now I owe ya a nice drink, not because what you said is true, but because I would love to think it's true.....
 :lol sign

I agree with you on that .40...everyone that has one is just to proud of it to sell it to a "po boy", like me.

I did see a .40 T/C for sale at a local Gun Show a few years back, some kind of "Competition" rifle, only 1,000 or some such made, but they wanted three times what a regular T/C would cost so I didn't get much further than the price tag.
Got me to thinking hard about an IBS!

Do you think the .36 is 'significantly' more then the little "three-two"? or just border line more?
Having never owned one, I always thought they may well be something like a .32 with an attitude, but that is pure speculation on my part.

I have found the old rule of "bigger is better" is a fairly sound rule, when it comes to hunting big game with muzzleloaders, and should likely be adhered to by anyone hunting deer on up, but for small game, handiness, accuracy, plinking, and just plain fun, you will have to look hard to beat the little .32.  

Uncle Russ...
Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: Longhunter on July 11, 2011, 09:58:19 PM
My first flintlock was a .32 Poorboy built by J. Brennan. It was a squirrel killin machine, my load was 30gr 3FFF behind a .310 ball. As for only being a shorter range gun I won a 100yd match with that little .32. It was a windy day and I think the wind was affecting the little pea size ball less than the bigger calibers that day. I sold that gun in a weak moment one of those things that you regret later.  :Doh!

As a side note, if you like squirrel meat, best go for head shots with either a .32 or .36

Here's a good morning with the .32 many many years ago.

(http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/Ron_squirrels.jpg)
Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: Buzzard on July 12, 2011, 07:28:35 PM
Well fellows, I've been following this thread for awhile and have found very little BS involved so far. That's amazing! I shoot a CVA 32 squirrel rifle and a self built Bedford Co 36 flinter. Like Uncle Russ said, ya just can't believe the power of a 310rb at moderate ranges. The 36 is marginally better in that realm. "Loaded up", the 36 easily reach's .357mag power in the lighter weight bullets used in the cartridge. The 357 is deer legal here in Ohio, but not the 36mzldr. Probably a good thing as the RB loses alot of penetration downrange. My point comes to this. I've been fortunate enough to do "depredation" work here for over 20yrs and have taken that opportunity to "test" some theories. I've shot 2 whitetails with the 36 flinter, using squirrel hunter tactics, for the project involved. Both were taken using 40gr-3f and 350prb. One at 40yds and one at 25 yds. The 40yd doe went straight down. Hit right behind the shoulder, the ball hit a rib and deflected up into the spine. Not good a thing. Even with the better than expected outcome. The 25yd button buck hit right behind the shoulder, penetrated to the offside hide and stopped there. He ran 21steps. The 36 is NOT a deer rifle nor will it ever be. Only under the most perfect circumstance can it be used for any animal over about 75lbs. The 32 and 36cal rifles are small game rifles, with head or shoulder shots, and certainly are NOT to be compared with a 22lr. Their terminal performance is more on par with the 22Hornet when "loaded up" and with the 22mag when "loaded down". Note: 32 loaded at 15gr-3f/310prb and 36 loaded at 20gr-3f/350prb as "squirrel loads". Very few of us will ever get the chance to legally take a deer with these small caliber rifles and that is why i share this information with you. Just so you can make a somewhat informed decision about this subject. As always, your comments are encouraged, so that we all may learn a little more in the long run. Thanks, Buzzard
Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: Hanshi on July 21, 2011, 06:53:33 PM
Seems I came in a little late but here goes.  I have a cap .32 and a flint SMR .36.  The .36 is a favorite for a number of reasons.  While the .32 is a super squirrel gun the .36 can easily take anything under deer in size.  It, too, excels at small game BUT also on larger varmints.  It's cheap to feed for lots of shooting (I like that).  The balls are pretty small but not nearly as difficult to handle as the .32s.  A pound of lead gives you 106 balls and a pound of powder gives you 200 (35grns) shots.
Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: Rasch Chronicles on August 11, 2011, 05:10:36 AM
Interesting topic.

I am of the mind to build me a Tennessee rifle, and I was debating what caliber to make it in. It's going to be a tackdriver if I have my way with it, but it has to be a multipurpose gun too. I had almost settled on the 32 simply because I found it "different." Considering what you fellows have said though, the 36 caliber seems to be more practical if you are taking a wider variety of game. I'll have to look into it further, and make a decision.



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Albert “Afghanus” Rasch
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Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: AZ Longrifle on August 17, 2011, 02:06:39 AM
I have one I bought back a couple of years ago, it's used, from a BP shooter about 2 hrs away from me.
I got the gun and thought it too small for me, and it was to be used by my young son, who's 8 now. He still can't hold it out too long. So, I ended up shooting it and totally falling in love with it! According to Dr. Fadala's Lyman BP book, the 60 grn FFFG load with a 125 grn, .360 Bullet is going at 1800 fps! In my experience, that's full house .357 Mag loads from a Lever Action rifle. As long as legal in your state, I believe this will take a Deer, Coyote or any other Medium size animal, very easily. This will be my 1st choice for a BP Javalina gun, next years season.
Light loads in 20-25 grns with a RB, are for small critters, Squirrels, Prairie Dogs, Birds, etc.
This rifle is about 40-50 yrs old and was purchased at a Rendezvous in 1986 by the previous owner, who bought it from a man in his 70's back then. He was told that a builder in WA state built it with the initials "SK"
I still I have no idea who it was that built this little beauty! But, it's by far, next to the faithful .45 Flintlock, one of the most versatile calibers of Flintlocks I own.
Here's a few pics of this fine old Flinter...
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/CapitalOrdnance123/IMG_3226-1.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/CapitalOrdnance123/IMG_3227-1.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/CapitalOrdnance123/IMG_3228-1.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/CapitalOrdnance123/IMG_3229-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: Caddo on August 17, 2011, 10:23:33 AM
Nice rifle, sounds like a lot of history behind it.
Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: Captchee on August 17, 2011, 11:35:59 AM
also to add to this discussion . one might want to read on the Small rifle  that Clark carried  with him on the  L&C  expedition
http://lewis-clark.org/content/content-article.asp?ArticleID=2355
Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: No Rod on August 17, 2011, 07:47:11 PM
Quote from: "Forager"
I figure my best excuse to get a .36, eventually, is that I already have a pretty good supply of roundballs and old T/C Maxi-Balls for a .36.  And, if it's twisted right, I can't see how a .36 wouldn't do well with soft-case HBWCs, etc., from a .358"ish mold.

I never even thought of that when i ordered my .36... which by the way arrived today.  :lt th

now I'm going to have to try that too.

Jon

btw I'll post picts in a new thead.
Title: Re: Uses of a 36 caliber flintlock
Post by: Rasch Chronicles on August 17, 2011, 11:01:54 PM
Captchee,

Thanks for the informative link!

Best Regards,
Albert A Rasch
The Rasch Outdoor Chronicles™ (http://http)
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