Post by: Feltwad on January 07, 2012, 02:14:56 PM
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not sercure a chicken house door
Post by: greyhunter on January 07, 2012, 02:34:01 PM
Post by: Feltwad on January 07, 2012, 05:17:36 PM
Quote from: "greyhunter"
Boy, they a nice! Any idea when they were made? The 16 guage in the US is also a nice all around shotgun. Shot my first turkey with one and also rabbits and grouse. Easy on the shoulder and more than adequate for all our small game.They would have been made between 1835 -50 and are just a standard s/b made in Birmingham and retailed by a ironmonger or such. These guns gave me good service when I puchased them in the 1970s there are now retired to the collection.
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not secure a chicken house door
Post by: Roaddog on January 08, 2012, 06:11:49 AM
Post by: Feltwad on January 08, 2012, 11:47:43 AM
Quote from: "Roaddog"
They are some eye candy for sure. I could never understand why the fell by the wayside. Ya just don't see them any more. Thanks for posting them Feltwad.You will find that here in the UK the original shotgun is the most common where in the States most go for the repro,here it is rare to see a repro in the field. Here we have more originals to choose from repros are mostly used by the pistol muzzle loaders and a few of the rifle shooters prefer the Parker-Hale
rifles
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not sercure a chicken house door
Post by: huntinguy on January 10, 2012, 12:05:19 PM
Are those some kind of rudimentary rear sights on the top and bottom shotguns?
If so, are they used when a PRB is used or just to help point the piece?
I must say, you have one very fine collection.
Post by: Feltwad on January 10, 2012, 01:42:12 PM
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not secure a chicken house door
Post by: Skychief on February 17, 2012, 12:22:40 AM
I would love to get my hands on a fowler like one of these!
How long are the barrels?
Are (were) most of these made with a hooked breech?
Were they entirely made of back action locks like those shown?
Does anyone know of a kit form of one of these type guns???
Thanks much, Skychief.
Post by: Feltwad on February 17, 2012, 01:42:24 AM
These shotguns were all from the late flintlock period ,most were built with a hooked breech on Nocks patent,has for the barrel length then most were 30 inches to 42 inches ,those with longer barrels most were reduced to 40 inches and less ,you can still come across some with the original length of barrrel which could be 60 plus inches.The locks on the three guns in the image are all flintlock converted too percussion with the pan and frizzen removed and the flintlock replaced with a percussion hammer. The touch hole was replaced with a drum and nipple, today here in the UK you often see guns with this principle coming up at auction for little money depending on the maker.
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not secure a chicken house door
Post by: Riley/MN on February 17, 2012, 10:58:37 AM
Quote from: "Feltwad"
Skychief.
These shotguns were all from the late flintlock period ,most were built with a hooked breech on Nocks patent,has for the barrel length then most were 30 inches to 42 inches ,those with longer barrels most were reduced to 40 inches and less ,you can still come across some with the original length of barrrel which could be 60 plus inches.The locks on the three guns in the image are all flintlock converted too percussion with the pan and frizzen removed and the flintlock replaced with a percussion hammer. The touch hole was replaced with a drum and nipple, today here in the UK you often see guns with this principle coming up at auction for little money depending on the maker.
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not secure a chicken house door
Hey Feltwad - is the 16 a pretty popular size to find at auction? How about larger ones in the 12-10 ga size - do you see many of them?
Thanks
Post by: Feltwad on February 17, 2012, 11:54:35 AM
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There are three main sizes of percussion shotguns you find at auction ,first is the 12 gauge in both s/b and sxs , second is the 14 gauge in s/b and sxs , and third the 16 gauge in the same . The 20 gauge and the 10 gauge are next with the 8, and 4 gauge just about has popular.There are also others which do come up for sale but not too often such has the 24, 28, 9, 11,and 6 gauge . In both the flintlock and the percussion era shotguns were made in all bore sizes from the mighty 2 gauge to the small 32 gauge and 410.
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not secure a chicken house door
Post by: Riley/MN on February 17, 2012, 12:07:10 PM
Post by: Feltwad on February 17, 2012, 01:39:13 PM
If you go to the webpage of {Holts Auctioneers Of Fine Modern & Antique Guns] who have a Auction in London in March will give you some Idea of the flint and percussion arms in auction
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not secure a chicken house door
Post by: Riley/MN on February 17, 2012, 02:54:30 PM
Post by: Feltwad on February 17, 2012, 04:58:56 PM
I would like to hear what you think , it can be pricey you will need a friendly bank manager.
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not secure a chicken house door
Post by: Riley/MN on February 17, 2012, 06:18:38 PM
Post by: Feltwad on April 30, 2012, 04:40:59 AM
Research into this gun revels 287 and 288, 289, 290 all 16 gauge sxs percussion except 290 which was a 15 gauge were purchased by the same gentleman at the same time which indicates that they may have been trio or two pairs.
Feltwad
Post by: Kermit on May 07, 2012, 07:31:23 PM
Post by: Feltwad on May 08, 2012, 08:39:28 AM
That is correct for a pair you had one loader and for a trio you had two loaders .The loaders were mostly gamekeepers but some gentry had their butlers or livery men has loaders who would travel with him too different shoots.The common practice for the loaders was too load standing behind the shooter but some shooters the loaders sat in front of the shooter which was a dangerous practice with sparks fallen from the fired gun all around them.
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not secure a chicken house door