Post by: prairie dog on January 18, 2012, 09:11:52 AM
What type of coffee pot would have been in use at an 1830-1840 mountain man winter camp?
I am ready to start replacing my camp cooking gear with historically correct looking stuff. Since the coffee pot is out and in sight most of the time I want to start with that. The copper pots available are rather costly and I would like to avoid buying something that isn't really correct.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and research.
Post by: Kermit on January 18, 2012, 09:24:10 AM
If you want to be safe, drink tea.
Post by: BEAVERMAN on January 18, 2012, 10:21:37 AM
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Quote from: "Kermit"A better first question would be whether coffee itself is PC/HC for the scenario you describe. You'll get opinions. You'll need to decide what level of documentation you require. Now me, I have one of those tapered tin coffee boilers you see so often. It's at least a notch or two more proper than one in blue speckled enamelware!
If you want to be safe, drink tea.
Or just make cowboy coffee in a mucket or tin cup or any other pot
Post by: prairie dog on January 18, 2012, 12:38:31 PM
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You'll need to decide what level of documentation you require.
They had coffee. It is listed in the ledgers of trade goods taken to rendezvous. (along with sugar, flour, and such.) I have read accounts of coffee being brewed in a trade kettle. Just wondering what style / type of coffee pot would have been available to the traders at that time.
Thanks
Post by: Loyalist Dave on January 18, 2012, 10:55:49 PM
I would simply get a copper pot with lid. I use either a large copper pot or a "straight sided pouring pot". OK well the SSPP may not be a historic design, but you save money in that a coffee pot from the period is really just good for that..., while making cowboy-coffee in a plain pot give you a pot for coffee or for other stuff when you need to boil it.
Oh and I often simply fill up the pot, and cheat by tossing in a couple or three of those premeasured coffee bags... here's where I got my pots...
http://westminsterforge.com/cookingpots.html
LD
Post by: pathfinder on January 19, 2012, 09:38:13 AM
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Oh and I often simply fill up the pot, and cheat by tossing in a couple or three of those premeasured coffee bags.
LD
AMEN!! Although when I'm at "Show and Tell's,we'll use hammered roasted bean's,taste's like crap,but DAMN,WE LOOK GOOD!
Post by: Gordon H.Kemp on January 19, 2012, 11:20:55 AM
Post by: prairie dog on January 19, 2012, 11:22:45 AM
In my camp the coffee pot is going to be in use and in sight most of the day. The blue and white speckled enamel coffee pot I have has always made good coffee but it doesn't look right in a buck-skinners camp.
Of these choices; which pot is the least offensive to your eyes and your PC sensibilities?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/Sells/Sells%20cooking/coffee.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/Sells/Sells%20cooking/5562-001-200_200x250.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/Sells/Sells%20cooking/14c-straight.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/Sells/Sells%20cooking/oldcoffee.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/Sells/Sells%20cooking/5x7_36c.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/Sells/Sells%20cooking/teapot.jpg)
Post by: Kermit on January 19, 2012, 11:33:58 AM
I'm certainly not the PC cop, but it's interesting to see what we can justify. Like how to disguise your Coors Lite. Mea culpa.
Post by: prairie dog on January 19, 2012, 12:12:42 PM
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but I think I read that the beans were green. You had to roast your own.
That is what I read too. Trade items did change when the shift from forts trading primarily with Indians changed to rendezvous traders trading with company trappers.
Post by: Riley/MN on January 19, 2012, 12:59:18 PM
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but I think I read that the beans were green. You had to roast your own.
which makes a great demonstration for the flatlanders, by the way....
Post by: Longhunter on January 19, 2012, 05:21:38 PM
Normally when I get up in the morning I want my coffee NOW! so I just grab a fist full of dark roast and throw it on top of a pot of water. When it starts to boil...take it off the fire and let it settle a bit. Jack Perry made the pot that I've been using for the last few years.
As for those "coffee packets"..... :th dn If you use those you won't have any grounds to chew on...
Post by: pathfinder on January 19, 2012, 05:58:49 PM
Sorry for the hi-jack,but I like the straight sided pot's for a Skinning camp. Tin lined copper is the best in my opinion.
Really got a kick out of watchin' Ron grind them beans,coffee AND a show!!!
Post by: prairie dog on January 20, 2012, 10:01:18 AM
Post by: Loyalist Dave on January 21, 2012, 12:13:30 AM
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but I think I read that the beans were green. You had to roast your own.
OK so I tried to do this...., I had a dry, iron skillet, and a wooden mortar and pestle.
So..., I roast the beans, a nice medium brown, grind 'em up, and boild them. It kinda smells like coffee, but it's like tea..., so I dump some more of the "roasted" and ground beans in, let it boil a bit, and I drink a cup. Doesn't taste like much..., so I start again.
I roasted the beans to a chocolate brown, grind 'em up, and make another pot..., now it smells like coffee, but is kinda weak looking, and I drink a cup, and the flavor is getting closer...
Again, from the top, only I roast the beans 'till they are black, and sorta oily...., grind 'em up, and make a pot. This looks and smells right, and I drink a cup.
NOW..., what nobody told me was that caffine is water soluable, and has nothing to do with the color of the coffee, as the color of the coffee is due to the darkness of the roasting.
So three rather potent cups of coffee in about 40 minutes....,
for the next four hours at the event ...,
whenItalkeditcameoutsomethinglikethisandIcouldntstoptalkingorshakingandmyheartfeltlikeitwasgoingto'splode!!!!
LD
Post by: Kermit on January 21, 2012, 06:52:27 PM
There's a micro-roaster just down the road from the shop, and when the wind's right, it smells like something's big-time on fire!
Post by: prairie dog on January 23, 2012, 12:50:28 PM
from Backwoods Tin. At $99.75 I sure hope it doesn't leak!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/Sells/Rendezvous/24cupcoffeepot-5x7.jpg)
Post by: sse on January 23, 2012, 01:40:18 PM
Post by: greyhunter on January 23, 2012, 05:35:18 PM
Post by: Sir Michael on January 23, 2012, 09:34:08 PM
JMHO :peace
Post by: prairie dog on January 24, 2012, 09:46:06 AM
Post by: Sir Michael on January 25, 2012, 10:30:22 PM
Post by: snake eyes on January 27, 2012, 09:01:30 AM
woods hunting and such,I always have a mouthful of coffee beans in
my mouth. Chew,spit etc.
Post by: Adam Wetherington on January 27, 2012, 12:23:02 PM
Post by: Riley/MN on January 27, 2012, 02:15:58 PM
Post by: ridjrunr on January 27, 2012, 03:40:03 PM
heckuva pot there prairedog,real nice.I'll be on the lookout for ya in these parts
Post by: sse on January 27, 2012, 03:49:44 PM
Post by: prairie dog on January 27, 2012, 05:02:13 PM
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bp scout, those sound tasty in a nasty kinda way. Can I place an order?
heckuva pot there prairedog,real nice.I'll be on the lookout for ya in these parts
I hope to have it broken in before the South Western rendezvous. You are welcome to sit and have a cup.
Post by: trg on February 15, 2012, 05:04:23 PM
Post by: prairie dog on March 05, 2012, 06:02:11 PM
Post by: Longhunter on March 05, 2012, 11:05:43 PM
(http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/TRR%20ribs%202.JPG)
Post by: snake eyes on March 06, 2012, 07:09:16 AM
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Well, I guess I might be the village idiot here.....But when in the
woods hunting and such,I always have a mouthful of coffee beans in
my mouth. Chew,spit etc.
No one else.I always have coffee beans in my pocket when hunting,scouting,hiking
and fishing......Must be an old guy thing!My dad did it when I was his hunting dog :cry:
snake-eyes
Post by: prairie dog on March 06, 2012, 12:18:03 PM
whoowee, those ribs look tasty!
Post by: rickevans on March 06, 2012, 02:23:37 PM
Post by: No Rod on March 11, 2012, 06:16:00 PM
Post by: Loyalist Dave on March 17, 2012, 11:53:57 AM
That's why when I made several test batches with green coffee beans that I roasted myself, although the coffee looked and tasted "weak"..., itmademetalkveryfast and gave me the jitters. The "coffee" that I made was full of caffeine, just lacking color and flavor.
LD
Post by: sse on March 17, 2012, 11:58:29 AM
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but percolators recirculate the water over and over.Which is why percolator coffee tastes lousy.
Post by: greyhunter on March 17, 2012, 06:37:45 PM
That's why when I made several test batches with green coffee beans that I roasted myself, although the coffee looked and tasted "weak"..., itmademetalkveryfast and gave me the jitters. The "coffee" that I made was full of caffeine, just lacking color and flavor. :rotf :rotf :hairy
Post by: prairie dog on March 19, 2012, 11:18:07 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/Sells/Rendezvous/DSCF2740.jpg)
The new kettle has a venison stew cooking in it. The venison was from a deer I killed with my 50 cal Lyman GPR last season. Now I can return all the blue enamel cook ware back to my deer camp and leave it there. Next, I will replace the cast iron skillet with something a little more proper.
Post by: greggholmes on May 24, 2012, 10:08:43 PM
The darker the roast the less caffeine.
boiling water is to hot.
If you want the grounds contained tie them up, loose, in a piece of linen or cotton and use it like a tea bag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V-1O2nqars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V-1O2nqars)
Post by: sse on May 25, 2012, 09:26:04 AM