Traditional Muzzleloading Association
Traditional Firearms => Caplock Pistols => Topic started by: ridjrunr on March 24, 2012, 06:36:39 PM
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Is anyone familiar with this pistol? the mechanism works great, but two things I find very odd. There is no rifleing and there are two dovetails cut in the barrel, front and rear, and you could never see the sights because of the hammer and nipple.Also, there appears to be teflon tape where the barrel screws into the brass section that houses the nipple. The ID of the barrel is .440. It is marked
CMC
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PAT PEND
Thanks for any input, ridjrunr
( and I just discovered, it appears to be loaded
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Looks like a New Orleans Ace. My wife has one. The dovetails are for little rings that hold a ramrod. Only problem my wife has with hers is that it has a tendency to break nipples...spring too strong!
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Is hers without rifleing as well? Does hers measure .440 too ?
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They are smooth bores, sold by Dixie Gun works. Kinda like a Queen Anne? screw barrel. Sold as kits, they may still sell them. Under table gun, beyond that, just a noise maker. Had one, traded to a member for a horn. .440 sounds right.
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I found that if you tilted it at about a 45 degree angle, you could at least get an idea of where you were shooting. Strictly a belly gun, hence the moniker, New Orleans Ace. Let er rip under the card table and your opponent will be singing soprano. :rotf
If I recall correctly, they were intended to shoot a .433 rb. using a hammer, I was able to load .440's into mine, lo these many years ago.
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Thank you for the input. I did get it unloaded, powder and ball with no patch. Odd thing. a belly gun indeed.
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We used them at a ministry for kids to shoot...most of the little kids didn't care where the ball went as long as it went bang when they pulled the trigger!
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Here's mine. I've found it's good for two things; loading with a powder charge and a paper towel wad to make noise and smoke on the Forth of July and New Years' Eve, and loading with a powder charge, toilet paper wad, 1/2 ounce of #8 shot, overshot wad cut from an egg carton, and blasting away at anything that tickles your fancy. As far as shooting balls, you'd better be very close and the target better be very big.

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Thank you semisane ! Thats kind of what I thought, mine is a swamp meet special and just couldnt pass it up
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Ridjrunr, don't be afraid to unscrew the barrel. It should unscrew fairly easily. I take mine off by hand for cleaning.
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dan .
if you need some parts , i know i have another barrel . the ram rod loops for the dove tailsand i think a ram rod ,hammer and trigger as well . i dont have the breech though .
as a note , i saw a fellas selling a number of those up at Monroe for 150.00 .
over 1/2 sold the first day
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dan .
as a note , i saw a fellas selling a number of those up at Monroe for 150.00 .
over 1/2 sold the first day
Wow guess those went up in price I bought a kit from Dixie many years ago seems like I paid very little for it, must be inflation.lol
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dan .
as a note , i saw a fellas selling a number of those up at Monroe for 150.00 .
over 1/2 sold the first day
Wow guess those went up in price I bought a kit from Dixie many years ago seems like I paid very little for it, must be inflation.lol
Bison Horn,
I agree in the inflation thing......I to bought two rifles from DGW maybe
12 years ago and the same two guns today the price has nearly doubled.
Yep I am sure inflation is a part of it,for the most part.But on the other hand I would like to think interest in B/P shooting is part of the inflation issue....That is what I would like
to think.......But on the other hand....Maybe it is like modern gun sales
Buy what ever you can before you can't buy anything....and do not exclude ammo. IMHO
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dan .
as a note , i saw a fellas selling a number of those up at Monroe for 150.00 .
over 1/2 sold the first day
Wow guess those went up in price I bought a kit from Dixie many years ago seems like I paid very little for it, must be inflation.lol
Bison Horn,
I agree in the inflation thing......I to bought two rifles from DGW maybe
12 years ago and the same two guns today the price has nearly doubled.
Yep I am sure inflation is a part of it,for the most part.But on the other hand I would like to think interest in B/P shooting is part of the inflation issue....That is what I would like
to think.......But on the other hand....Maybe it is like modern gun sales
Buy what ever you can before you can't buy anything....and do not exclude ammo. IMHO
as the dollar becomes worth less , it takes more to buy what one wants .
i remember buying locks from Bud siler . 45.00.
very nice Trigger guards cast in silver were 5 .oo , brass 3.00 and steel 1.50 . take a look at the cost today .
CVA rifles were 50-75.00. Pedersoli 125.00 -200.00 . priced a Pedersoli lately ?
There was a time not all that long ago that 125.00 for a cap and ball pistol was a lot .
Not today
Take a look at barrels . In the last 2 years they have went up over 75.00 . Locks up 25-30 .
U at the Monroe show I was simply astounded to see so many CVA and Jukar Kentucky rifles with the asking price any where from 175 all the way to 250 . Basically nothing done to them either.
You know what , they were selling to
Odd times we live in for sure
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ok . i did some looking in my old 1976 catalogs
On top of what Dixie sells , the New Orleans Ace was sold by both Century , Classic Arms companies
I seem to recall that CVA as well as Jukar also listed the Ace .
But anyway
Both companies offered both smooth and rifled barrels in 44 cal .
Century arms Offered it in kit form for 29.95 for the smooth and 31.95 for the rifled bore .
Personally I think they all were imported pieces
Anyway they listed the new Orleans Ace at 44.95 smooth and 46.95 for the rifled as a finished piece
They also offered it in Kit form . But I don’t have a price for that .
It would also appear that both companies used this same receiver for their 3 barreled 36 cal Duckfoot
But I cant say with 100% certainty as I cant seem to find my parts catalog for those companies .
If you do a Google for this gun, and look at the auction sites , what you find is they are selling anywhere from 50-60 bucks in poor shape up to 139-150 cleaned up
These type of guns were often referred to as pocket pistols . So looking for that you can find more information concerning originals that the ACE kinda loosely resembles .
IE like we used to say in the scale RC ; Its Squint scale
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OK so Dan sent his New Orleans Ace to me to do a little work on her for him
As you can see in the first photo , the hammer had never been finished . He was missing some parts . Stock had never been worked over past the point of its original shape .
Which by the way was a piece of walnut . Real poor quality . After removing it , it had some splits that needed stabilized . So I did that and then reshaped it a little and put on an oil finish . Thus giving it slimmer lines and a more sleek look that a self respecting Gambler might be looking for.
I also finished out the hammer and trigger . Then I case hardened both . As was expected the steel quality didn’t take much of the case color but they still came out nice .
I then re-crowned the barrel and polished it and faced it so as to bring the RR back down to the bottom .
I then engraved the barrel and receiver with leaf bands for a base to the arch based leaf work . Around the nipple seat I did a rope boarder .
Each side of the receiver , on the flats I engrave a poker hand . Specifically a Royal Flush in spades .
Added to that I finally go around to getting my 35mm Minolta X700 out. But I found out its shutter had stuck . So out came my Sony D100 digital . I never really learned how to use it so after a couple days of reading and digging for some of my old camera gear I finally was able to take some decent photos. Still not the best but far better then those I have posted before .
So anyway here is Dans pistol in its new form .
it was a fun project Dan , Thank you for giving me the opportunity and your willingness to allow me to do some practice on your gun . I hope you like what I have done
so here is the before shot
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y242/captchee/engraving/100_57065B15D.jpg)
and here is what she looks like now
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y242/captchee/engraving/DSC00780.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y242/captchee/engraving/DSC00785.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y242/captchee/engraving/DSC00775.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y242/captchee/engraving/DSC00772.jpg)
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Wow, great job Charles.
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Delightful pistol!
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Wow, great job Charles. 
thank you , its was alot of fun enjoyed it greatly
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Wow!!! I am not sure what you call that, but it is way more than a finishing-up and make-over.
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Wow!!! I am not sure what you call that, but it is way more than a finishing-up and make-over.
why ???? its a "pimp" your gun :toast
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Way to go Charlie - That looks great!
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That's the phrase for sure Captchee!
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Wholy Cats !, Thank you Charlie!
even though I figured this would be something original,it kinda blows me away.
You are very gifted not only as a craftsman but an artist as well.
Thank you so much !,
ridjrunr
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thanks for the kind words dan ,glad you like it .
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I bow to your talent and skill sir. Beautiful job!
I have an original design underhammer style rifle build underway. It has two flat sideplates of polished mild steel that would look great engraved. Do you undertake such work?
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I bow to your talent and skill sir. Beautiful job!
I have an original design underhammer style rifle build underway. It has two flat sideplates of polished mild steel that would look great engraved. Do you undertake such work?
thank you for the kind words
yep i do as well as full builds . full custom , semi custom and revamps
long rifles ,half stocks , SXS , trade guns . and a number of smoothbores
if you go to my face book page “.
you will see a number of my work in my photo album. One of which is a under hammer I did for chair slayer here on the TMA forum.
not much in the engraving area as i was having trouble with my hands . but now im back at it so there will be more engraving to come .
i have been ask to do an a fully engraved Centaure. That I will be probably starting early spring and will take some considerable time .
I also have a 1860 and a 1851 on the bench waiting to be engraved
here is the link to a few of my works
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Very snazzy, cap...
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Its even better in the hand !!
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Its even better in the hand !! 
thanks Dan .
glad you like it
i also just got your phone message
im working nights so . i sleep through the day .
ill give you a call in the morning