Traditional Muzzleloading Association
Craftsmanship => Gun Building and Repair => Topic started by: gunmaker on November 17, 2012, 09:40:31 PM
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Well here's something, A while back on underhammer society page there was a pic & article about a 20 ga. pistol made by a "Correvon" Swiss about 1840. Only 1 is known to exist. In the article Roger Renner said might make perfect sense in a shotgun, as it's double action just point & pull tgr. as tgr does back hammer slips over hook on tgr....,Bang. Great for follow thru in wing shooting. Not seeing the insides I made a paper pattern of what I thought might work. Well it does. This gun is a 20 bore X 26" bbl off ebay, lock & stock made by me. Throws a nice pattern & 20 yd. 40 gr 3f equal shot & circle fly wads....If any budding gunmakers want to knock one out fly at it............Tom I'll answer any ? out there. I really like this smoothie & carry it on treks hunts & walks.......
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Pathfinder showed up at my door yesterday (11-16-'12) we had a nice visit I showed it to him & he got a big laugh out of it. I think he liked it, ask him. Great meeting folks of like minded ML, wife & pathfinder really good folks...........Tom.......... most a you know that already....
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Interesting action. It looks like you would have to cock it to re-engage the trigger after firing.
I hope you counted your silverware after Pathfinder left.
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Very unique. I like it!
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Tom,
You got a photo of the hammer at full cock?
My wife says I have no abstract reasoning ability, and in this case I must agree with her. I just cannot imagine how that action works, no matter how much I look at it. Another case of round shoulders and flat foreheads, me thinks.
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Bigsmoke, Take both of your trigger fingers, make hooks of 'em. Put 'em together, hook to hook. Now pull 'em apart---keep 'em hooked, see how the tips of your fingers slide up over each other ? One finger is tgr. one is ham'r.....that help..........Tom
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That's the most interesting thing I've seen since that caged honest lawyer I saw at a zoo when I was 12.
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Honest lawyer ?? bet that drew a crowd. Tried to count silverware after pathfinder vamoosed, but wife's brother having been here lately couldn't get a good count....oh well.............Tom
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Really like that action. Makes sense any time you need to shoot fast. Defensive pistol or shotgun. Would be great for a trap or skeet gun.
Ironhand
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That's what the Swiss gun was Ironhand, A 20 ga. pistol !
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Interesting indeed...that Path took off when you started to count the silverware. Lucky for you he was with his lovely young bride. That underhammer is unique.
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Here's a link to a photo Renner showed a while back of another pistol. This one is also "double action." The ring trigger pulls the end of the spring/hammer down until the trigger slips the hammer free to slap the cap. One moving part and one spring. The "hammer" swings to the side to get it back into battery and to get the next cap fitted. I always thought this one would make a terrific shotgun action. I don't see how you could make an underhammer action simpler.
You have to scroll down about 3/4 of the way on the page to "Cooper, copy, or what?"
http://underhammers.blogspot.com/search ... date=false (http://underhammers.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2011-01-05T15:24:00-08:00&max-results=20&start=9&by-date=false)
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Very interesting concept , I,ve often wondered why the under hammers never caught on . Seems like a "back to the future " thing ? Not complicated enough to base arguments on (discussion) . "There it is , it works well ---now what ?????
Nice work !
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Thanks for the kind words. Getting parts together for a 16 bore early flint fowler. Will post some pic's as I go along...................Tom
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Please do, Tom. I remember being a little fascinated by underhammers when I first saw one about 40 years ago. I resisted them as "not traditional." I've finally caved, and am building a 12ga with a Taylor action, Colerain Barrel, and some nice curly red maple I've hoarded. I also have an underhammer chunk gun and a RB bench rifle. I have a fantasy of a schuetzen rifle too. For me, it's a flinter, an underhammer, or a single shot breechloader. Somehow sidelock capguns just don't speak to me anymore.
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The 16 is a traditional flintlock about 1760. I have an order for a .54 fast twist Rayl bbl. & a blue grouse steel action. Pistol grip stock, a gun for western big game hunting, is tTaylor the fellow in AZ ? he makes nice under hammer actions as well..........Tom
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John Taylor is out here in Washington state. You can google him. I think he DBA "Taylor Machine." His actions ARE nice--as is all his work.
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always thought that double action trigger set up would be great for a shot gun.
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Washington state is it ? I lived for 10 years out in Forks, can't recollect seeing any vampires. did get a wife there. Mech/Welder in log shops mostly. Great place, more Elk, Salmon & Steelhead than people.....Tom
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Forks? Big city, man. I lived in Camp Grisdale up the Wynoochee for three years and at Amanda Park for two. Miss the rain much? I do--sometimes.
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Forks? Big city, man. I lived in Camp Grisdale up the Wynoochee for three years and at Amanda Park for two. Miss the rain much? I do--sometimes.
I don't want to get off the subject but I want to ask Kermit sumpin..........
To start, you were living smack-dab in the middle of my old hunting area, when I lived in Shelton.
Shot a few Deer a little south of Grisdale, but north of Matlock, just before the National Forest signs, and I got one Cow Elk less than fifty yards off the west side of the Wynoochee River within walking distance of Camp Grisdale.
My question is.......I understand that Camp Grisdale has practically been over-run with wild Wild Boar in the past few years?
I looked for 'em for a couple of years, way back when, found all the places where they'd been, which Ray Charles could have easily found, even saw a couple rootin off in the distance in a clear-cut, but never one that was close enough to shoot at.
I understand there is some exotic plant that DNR has listed as endangered that simply drives those Wild Hogs "Hog-Wild" and when they locate one they tear up a few acres of good ground looking for another one.
Do you know anything about this story?
Oh, Miss the rain? maybe in late August for a couple of days, but that's about it.
Shoes seem to fit better without having "web feet".
Uncle Russ...
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Ain't the rain I miss Kermit, it's the STEELHEAD. Many a wet day found me on the river after those rascals. Left is winter steelie, 24.8 lb Right is spring king 30 lb. It was in Forks in 1977 that I started my rifle making hobby.....Tom