Post by: Captchee on December 17, 2012, 01:34:06 PM
She is a 36 cal J Baum rifle .
44 inch Octagon to round barrel goes from 8 to 16 flats to round , no wedding band transition .
I also chose to French grey the barrel so as to bring out the engraving more
The stock is of black walnut . It as of yet hasn’t been set to oil so what you see in the photos is just raw wood , no finish .
The rifle is mounted in silver , from my own castings or where needed formed . IE nose cap , TG butt plate , side plate
Lock is a DE London , which I also built from castings . I wont show you that tell the rifle is done as im in the process of engraving it .
Engraving .
Barrel engraving you see in the photos has been relieved . I have as of yet to do the Tang . The breech bands are 18 ct gold . Front sight has a German silver blade. Its base is 4 leaves which clasp the sight this I formed from 14ct gold .
The wrist checkering is accented with 99.9% silver
Ill start with some photos of the yet unfinished rifle
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OHHH and could someone tell me about this container ??????
dose anyone know what it is ?
a fella dropped it off the other day . its filled on one side with mink oil . the other side is empty . thought it was kinda cool . dont know what it was originaly used for .
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Post by: rickevans on December 17, 2012, 04:00:44 PM
Post by: Riley/MN on December 17, 2012, 04:13:16 PM
Post by: Spotted Bull on December 17, 2012, 04:37:14 PM
Post by: Two Steps on December 17, 2012, 05:01:59 PM
Wow Cap, somebody is going to be a happy camper....er...shooter.
Post by: greyhunter on December 17, 2012, 05:06:12 PM
Post by: Captchee on December 17, 2012, 05:24:45 PM
grey hunter . thanks for the info about the container . i never saw one of those before
Post by: Riley/MN on December 17, 2012, 06:00:04 PM
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thanks for the kind words fellas , its sure been alot of work
grey hunter . thanks for the info about the container . i never saw one of those before
I got a similar one - single neck... came in a little leather pouch. I was gonna put some bear oil in it, wonder where I put that thing.....
Now that one that you got there, if you flattened out them letters, and then engraved a "S" on one side and a "P" on the other......
Post by: Roaddog on December 18, 2012, 06:15:52 AM
Post by: gunmaker on December 18, 2012, 12:10:04 PM
Post by: Captchee on December 18, 2012, 12:24:29 PM
cant say i ever built one i was more then 75% satisfied with .
But that’s why one keeps building . Some day there has to be at least a 90 perfect one LOL .
Keep at it
Post by: Trois Castors on December 18, 2012, 04:17:43 PM
Post by: Buzzard on December 18, 2012, 05:29:10 PM
Post by: Bison Horn on December 18, 2012, 06:48:42 PM
Post by: Uncle Russ on December 19, 2012, 11:15:22 PM
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I think i'll just take my latest rifle and go sit in the woods and pout. That there riflegun sure does shine, it truely shines, and it ain't even done yet.
Wait up Buzzard, I'll go with you!
Geeesh! Is that ever beautiful!
Uncle Russ...
Post by: pathfinder on December 20, 2012, 03:13:11 PM
GunMaker,your right,the road ahead is way shorter than the one behind. I see Charles work,along with guy's on the ALR site,and to REALLY depress myself,the fella's in the CLA,and go to the shop with a whole new outlook,and end up with Captchee's obervation of being @ 75% happy with what I've done.
But it's the work of these guy's that keep me going,not the guy's who take $400.00 in part's and build a $200.00 gun!
Heck Charles,I'D be proud to be in front of a firing squad with that gun there! I'm not really a fan of heavy engraving,more prone to build simpler Southern gun's,but this one is OUTSTANDING! Not overly done,just the right amount tastefully done with restaint in the right area's. Great job,as usual!
Post by: ridjrunr on December 20, 2012, 06:34:35 PM
Post by: Captchee on December 20, 2012, 11:59:37 PM
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I am curious,is there any one gun it was inspired by or a general school with you doing the overall layout of what goes where and how much?
well , it started out as a attempt at a John Baum rifle .. see rifles of Colonial America Volume 1 .
But it morphed into something else .
The person who requested the build liked the lines , small bore and the octagon to round barrel, which is rather unusual as it’s , more of a European barrel profile .
One of the other unusual things about that particular J.B rifle is that it has a long cheek piece that tapers all the way into the side plate mortise.
As I laid the rifle out and started shaping the blank I didn’t like the cheek piece at all . So I called up the customer . Had them come by and take a look .
Turned out they agreed . So we cut the cheek piece back to more along the conventional Lancaster lines .
This created an issue though with the wrist . With the cheek piece the wrist was more of an egg shape. Up through the side plate mortise. So in order to get rid of that , I had to reshape the mortise and oval the wrist .
Now normally this wouldn’t be an issue . But this rifle is very thin. Literally I can reach around the wrist with my index finger and touch the joint of my thumb . The forestock is no wider then my thumb .
So , now the question was . Do we start all over with a new blank or just go with it .
Well we ran with it . So to help blend the transition from the wrist to the mortises , I did the large diamond checkering on the wrist . Then added the silver pin inlays , so as to give the illusion of more depth then there really is .
Again something that’s seen a lot more in French fowlers then American long rifles
When it comes to the engraving , I was given free reign, with the exception of the rear sight . Which the customer chose . Kinda sore spot for me .
Anyway . I have seen a few Spanish barrels of this time period . Most carried some kind of long running leaf scroll down the barrel . . So as I started to draw the design , it came to me that if I boxed the design . But started one off on each flat , I would end up with not only a running leaf scroll pattern. BUT I would also end up with a wheat head type pattern that would alternate around the barrel .
So after laying it all out , that’s what I cut .
Thus I stayed with a leaf pattern on all the boarder work .
So what started out based around a American rifle , had become something a lot more European in its art work .
Its been one of those projects that’s been very hard not to end up going way overboard into something that’s more art then it is usable function
Post by: ridjrunr on December 21, 2012, 02:59:01 AM
Later,ridjrunr
Post by: Muleskinner on December 21, 2012, 07:53:21 AM
Post by: Captchee on December 21, 2012, 11:18:33 AM
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Thanx Charlie,it's late and I briefly looked but could not find Baum in RCA1. I will look in the am when I have more time. I don't yet trust my memorie on "schools" and such but I did think "over the pond" when I saw the wrist. Is that mostly a European traight or am I way off?
Later,ridjrunr
sorry Dan , i had to look it up . its in Volume 2 . Plate #86, page 380.
the one shown is also a smooth bore of 43 cal . but i built this one with round bottom rifling and of 36 cal .
. The rifle I built also carries not patch box .
Again my attempt wasn’t to copy a the J Baum rifle . But to only use its lines . As to the wrist carving . Yes its predominantly European and a lot of times seen on fowlers .
once i have her finished up , i have a colt 1860 made in Belgian to engrave for a fella . then i will be starting a build on an early french fowler . 50 cal , round barrel .
i will be putting it up for sale so as to fund my personal build of a long range sharps :rotf
Post by: Hanshi on December 21, 2012, 01:15:10 PM
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thanks for the kind words fellas , its sure been alot of work[/color]
grey hunter . thanks for the info about the container . i never saw one of those before
Yes, it's an oiler for the SKS,etc rifles. I have a couple.
That work on the gun is incredible! I've seen very few that compare with it.
Post by: ridjrunr on December 22, 2012, 12:02:07 PM
Did you do the barrel turning on this or was it ordered that way special?
Post by: Captchee on December 22, 2012, 12:36:11 PM
Post by: huntinguy on December 22, 2012, 05:24:42 PM
How did you inlet the barrel? Is it round in the transition area... PLEASE don't tell me you inletted 8-16-round.....
I really do have to quit looking at your builds... I can barely make fire wood and things like you do make me want to build things my eyes can't even understand.....
Speechless.........
Post by: gunmaker on December 22, 2012, 06:17:22 PM
P.S. that rifle is the most useless thing I've ever seen. Send it to me COD & I'll hide it....I can only wish.
Post by: Captchee on December 23, 2012, 10:01:00 AM
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How did you inlet the barrel? Is it round in the transition area... PLEASE don't tell me you inletted 8-16-round.....
AHHH ya right at the start of the 16 flats . but within a few inchs you can just go to round
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would you happen to have some pictures of the transition area on the barrel. I would love to see how you did that.
ok . as the others can tell you , im not one for taking good pictures ./ digital cameras drive me crazy . Just about the time I think I have them figured out they screw me .
It seems either I have the setting to sharp where things you cant see , suddenly look like the grand canyon OR I have them to low and details get left out but anyway
Here is photo that I took to show another person how small the forearm is . In it you can see the cut from 8 to 16 flats .
In the photo , it looks like they stay wide . But in fact they fade out to nothing
i also finished cutting the lock this morning . sorry i didnt take the time to get my hood out so as to take the photo in inderect lighting . but i think you all can get the idea
Post by: gunmaker on December 23, 2012, 12:07:57 PM
Post by: huntinguy on December 24, 2012, 01:10:10 AM
Post by: Captchee on December 25, 2012, 06:06:34 AM
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pathfinder maybe we'uns should form up a group & call it "wanabees". Awful sweet work Cap.........Tom
ahhh now gunmaker , its all takes time .
Jerry Huddleston and i were talking the other day and i told him near the same words you been telling me . when i look at his work , compared to mine , its depressing .
Frankly , Jerry’s work is the standard im working for . while most folks only see his high end work . i can tell you his simple guns are just as astounding in craftsmanship.
Which he tells me has came from his skilled work on the higher end pieces.
I have along ways to go but ill keep at it
Post by: gunmaker on December 25, 2012, 05:24:32 PM
Post by: 45.70 on December 29, 2012, 04:28:48 PM
Garry
Post by: Captchee on January 01, 2013, 01:40:55 PM
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Post by: R.M. on January 01, 2013, 01:57:04 PM
Post by: Uncle Russ on January 01, 2013, 02:23:46 PM
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Oh man, that thing is too pretty to shoot. Well done Cap.:rotf
Gotta agree Bob.
I suspect there certainly is something to that "too pretty to shoot" business.
Man works and works and works an ends up with a real qualifying Wall Hanger, doesn't seem right in one way.
However, if you look at the majority of the beautiful specimens that has survived for so many years, you have to think the same thing, and that is likely the reason we do see so many with beautiful markings in such great shape, to me and you and the average Joe, they were simply too pretty to take out and beat and bang around in the dirt.
There is no doubt in my mind but what Captchee has built one of those, no matter how well it shoots.
And, there is little doubt but what it will shoot.
Well done my old friend!
Uncle Russ...
Post by: Spotted Bull on January 01, 2013, 05:51:17 PM
Post by: Roaddog on January 02, 2013, 05:07:43 AM
Post by: Captchee on January 02, 2013, 10:26:02 AM
yep it will get shot . that’s what it was made for . hopefully in the process it will be taken care of .
Who knows , if the gods are kind , it will be deemed worthy of a special place
Post by: sse on January 02, 2013, 11:31:43 AM
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Post by: gunmaker on January 12, 2013, 09:36:53 PM