Post by: ridjrunr on November 03, 2013, 06:38:02 PM
Thanks , ridjrunr
Post by: mario on November 03, 2013, 08:28:31 PM
I have a Fusil de Chasse that I've been thinking of selling. Made from a Track of the Wolf kit. Major inletting done by Alex Efremenko, woodwork done by me. 44" barrel in 20ga, walnut stock (hand scraped like the originals).
As far as your shouldering question, the FdC has a curved stock, while the NW gun is about as straight as it gets. It takes a little getting used to, but no big deal.
I've been shooting smoothbores exclusively for 6 or 7 years. Will likely pick up a rifle in the next year or so as we are moving South.
Mario
Post by: prairie dog on November 03, 2013, 09:00:09 PM
you are welcome to shoot my Chief's gun and see how you like it.
Post by: gunmaker on November 03, 2013, 09:09:47 PM
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/TomKnight43/16BoreFowler/th_16borestockshaping524-13_zps391a2bd8.jpg) (http://http)
click on pic to see progress so far.
Post by: Captchee on November 04, 2013, 10:09:42 AM
The French stock design and the English stock designs are different do to a different style of shooting .
As Mario mentioned . The NW gun can have at times very little drop .But not always . The comb is also very flat across the top , which IMO also takes some getting used to .
But the reason they are that way is that the English style of shooting a gun was basically how we shoot today . IE you step into the gun as you shoulder it . Just like you would a modern rifle or shotgun .
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7RNqO73OIHg/TWlrTCIHdmI/AAAAAAAAi6I/vXCMHsxOKkM/s1600/Unknown.jpeg)
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With the French designs , they often “depending on the maker “ have a lot moor drop to the heel and a more rounded profile to the nose of the comb . This calls for a much more erect stance when shooting . IE your head is up not forward and down .
Thus if you have large cheek bones and try and lean into the gun with your face forward , the rise in the comb often will end up recoiling into your cheek bone .
When I learned and accepted that difference and thus began shooting my de chase , with a more erect stance , the gun not only became much more comfortable to shoot but my accuracy also improved greatly
De Chase
(http://www.trackofthewolf.com/imgPart/french-tulle-fusil-de-chasse-42-parts-list_1.jpg)
Now note I said depending on maker .
The reason I say that is that not all French designs have that roman nose to the comb .
What the largest % that I have seen do however have in common is a greater drop from the nose to the heal then on English guns .
While this isn’t a De Chase you can see what im getting at
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y242/captchee/SXS/117436882_vSvUh5pJ_flintlock01_6949-1.jpg)
Now as to the ups and downs .
The plus is I can reload much quicker then I can a rifle . Also I have the ability to shoot either shot , ball or both . I actually to a very nice cow elk some years ago while hunting grouse , because of that ability . Literally I saw the herd coming down the ridge , was able to quickly pull the over the shot card , dump out the #7 ½ that I was loaded with . Drop a ball in and push the over the shot card back in and still have time to make the shot .
As to a draw back . I would say that would have to be accuracy at ranges past 75 yards .
However that also may not be an issue while hunting . As you know a lot of times out harvest range back here is rather close . As such , frankly I see no difference between how accurate my smoothbores are compared to my rifles at those closer ranges .
Now one thing that I have had a problem with is heat waves coming off of my smoothbore barrels . Especially the longer barrels . They distort your sight picture much more then they do on a rifle with an octagon bore when you out shooting on hot days .
Now his is just my opinion but considering you build , you may find the NW gun to be rather small in stature for you . But at the same time your probably going to like the larger trigger guard . With your height and size , if you do go with a NW gun , I would find someone who would build you one that’s based more on a early design with much more drop then those commonly seen today. IE something that’s alittle more then the original I showed in the first photos .
Now the other thing is price .
Doing a French gun correctly , is much harder then doing a NW gun . Thus they cost more .
But the plus is that they were also done “depending on the model you chose “ in degrees of very simple , to modestly decorated , all the way to very extravagant gentleman’s guns.
Not so with the NW gun which even in so called chiefs grade , is not very ,,,, how should I put this , gentelman ‘y LOL
But then they don’t really need to be .
Now myself I have owned several NW guns and more then a few De chase . I prefer the French designs . One of the only things French that I do care for .
Let me also put in little plug here .
I don’t know what price range your thinking of or time fraim . But if your thinking of a frenchy and of something more then the run of the mill trade gun or De chase , give me a call . I would most certainly enjoy entertaining the concept and challenge of building you a fine piece.
Post by: Hanshi on November 06, 2013, 04:37:09 PM
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Post by: Hanshi on January 21, 2014, 04:29:35 PM
Quote from: "ridjrunr"
Just opened the mail and will post some pix after work. All I can say is WOW, she shure is pretty. People ain't kiddin when they say Avance builds a nice smoke pole! Now I need to throw some ball before Sunday :happy Yes, yes, yes, pics & more pics; yes, yes, yes..................!
Matt does do truly fine work as my gun cabinet will attest.
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Post by: Hanshi on January 22, 2014, 02:45:08 PM
(http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt74/hanshi_photo/PICT0586.jpg) (http://http)
Post by: ridjrunr on January 22, 2014, 03:08:24 PM
Looks great.thanks for posting.
Post by: KHickam on January 24, 2014, 05:07:56 PM
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Post by: ridjrunr on January 26, 2014, 04:38:44 PM
This is the first three shots out of the fusil at 28 yards. Load was the same all day,70 gr. FF, op card, cushion and .015 patch around .605 rb,lube as always hoppes BP +.
This is benched,poa center of target.three shots,6oclock low
Post by: ridjrunr on January 26, 2014, 04:41:31 PM
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Post by: Hanshi on January 28, 2014, 05:29:07 PM
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Thinking they could be kin
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I'd say 1st cousins at least if not sisters.
And, ridjrunr, that is dang good shooting.
Post by: ridjrunr on January 28, 2014, 08:28:04 PM
Post by: Captchee on January 28, 2014, 09:59:26 PM
i seem to recall trying to talk you into getting a smooth bore along time ago . BUT oHHHHHHHHH no you were alltied up in those plains rifles
good shooting there budy
Post by: ridjrunr on January 28, 2014, 11:06:25 PM
Post by: prairie dog on January 30, 2014, 10:41:24 AM
Have you had a chance to shoot any bird-shot out of that new gun yet? I bought a bag of shot for mine this week, based on the price you would have thought I was buying gold.
Post by: ridjrunr on January 30, 2014, 01:50:15 PM
Post by: Uncle Russ on January 30, 2014, 03:17:44 PM
Like PD, I was totally floored last year when I went to buy a bag of shot.
$49.95 plus tax comes to about $54.00 here is this state...I left it at the store.
I have been shooting re-claimed shot for some three or four years now, and although I don't like it, I suspect I will use it until it's gone.
The only defense I have against such prices is simply not to buy it, which will likely change nothing, but I totally refuse to pay that kind of money for a bag of shot!!
Besides that I'm totally capable of making drop-shot myself, and although I don't particularly care for that either, it will do fine for the little hunting I get done with my smoothies.
Uncle Russ...
Post by: Captchee on January 30, 2014, 03:44:26 PM
Post by: KHickam on January 30, 2014, 06:03:11 PM
Post by: ridjrunr on January 30, 2014, 06:42:12 PM
definately something to think about(price of shot)
Post by: Lakeeagle on April 12, 2014, 11:42:40 AM