Traditional Muzzleloading Association
Shooting Traditional Firearms and Weapons => General Interest => Topic started by: Ed_Street on January 14, 2014, 07:47:09 PM
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I have a double barrel 19 gauge that I want to put new locks on it. I want a V-pan style lock and the only way I can do that is make it myself. So I am looking for any info/help that I can find on doing just that.
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here you go
http://www.ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_experiments/mantonlock/mantonlock.html
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Took them over 8 months to reply to my email.
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who took that long Ed ?
frankly thats a very good tutorial on building the manton lock .
i have built many locks through the years botk flint and caplock and reguarless of what they are , the basics are all the same .
if you have a specific question or dont quite uderstand something , i can help you out .
as far as how to build the mantion lock . in a nut shell thats it right there , step by step
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The Rifle Shoppe, they took 8 months. Also Steve used cast parts which I do not have access to as they are not available.
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yes TRS can take a long time . there known for slow service . in Fact so well known for it that one should expect it . Personally I never send them e-mails . I only talk to them over the phone . Sometimes it takes a few days to get someone to answer but they allways have . Yes it’s a real PITA .
but if you want to build a lock other then what’s commercially available and use castings , then your eather going to wait for TRS or hope Blackly and Son have them .
Past that your looking at building one from scratch or modifying an existing manufactured lock or lock builders kit to make a V pan Manton .
Most certainly doable but a who lot of work.
so is that what your looking at doing or are you wanting to start from a a plate and block . then go at carving your own ?
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I did try to call them and after many days I just gave up. The reply email said they only have singles, nothing for doubles and nothing for left hand.
So I will have to go elsewhere either modify or cut, more than likely cut.
(http://traditionalmuzzleloadingassociation.org/forum/download/file.php?mode=view&id=1748&sid=a42b970e1b14da27ef50ec4c85dbaf10)
Current locks, both of them. Blackley and Son seems to only have the right hammer.
correction.
Manton 'V' Pan locks
Another project soon to be announced for sale is a MANTON V pan double lock set.
Details will follow soon.....
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i would then buy the right hand lock . then make a mirror lock to match.
i had to do that with the small Davis Becky flintlock
you also might order a 2nd frizzen .
i say that because on the V P an the frizzing isnt really off set . so with only alittle work , a person could possibly make a right hand V pan frizzen , work on the left hand side .
then all you would have to do is duplicate the pan arrangement which frankly wouldn’t be that hard
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wait for the matched set to actually be announced .
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that was quick. Just got email back from them.
Good afternoon,
The V pan locks are now available, time has not permitted us to update web
listings I am afraid, so apologies for that.
I have attached an image of the original R Hand lock, as we received it for
moulding, both left and right are available in 'as cast' form.
Let me know if you have any further questions...
Regards
Kevin
(http://traditionalmuzzleloadingassociation.org/forum/download/file.php?mode=view&id=1749&sid=a42b970e1b14da27ef50ec4c85dbaf10)
Looks like I will have an order in soon. At most I will have to do the lock plate as my plate is not the same size.
The biggest problem I see with this is if the lock is very small.
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The cost is £110.00 per lock set, plus postage.
shipping cost would probably be between £12 and £15 insured, non insured would be £7.
So about $210 USD for a set of locks. Not bad and going on the must buy list.
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IMO thats very good if they are finished properly and built . casting wise its alittle exspensive but things cost alot more now days with the decline in the value of the dollar .
as to redoing the lock plate . you could i guess .
however if im right , the locks you have are from an indian made SXS .
if it were me i would re stock it . watch for a real nice piece of walnut . you will have a lot nicer piece in the long run .
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Re-stocking ... That is also an option as well and something that I have been considering.
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So has anyone successfully done business with Blackley and Son? I ordered a topjaw screw for a Miquelet lock back in Jan. and have yet seen it, and have not been able to get a reply from Kevin, poor showing so far..... now the site says they are moving expect delays...... well my order was before the move over the past months I have sent three emails and sent three emails through their web site the last got a robo response that they were moving........ Poor form Kevin Poor form. it's only a lousy cast screw with a ring on top..... I ordered it from them because the rifle shop takes a year to get anything.... looks like Blackley & Son are the English version of the Rifle shop. I'll end up making the part from scratch and then it will come.
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This may not be what you want, but Chambers offers his flintlock with a large rectangular plate & detached pan. Right & left. Could you modify the pan to a "Vee" & shape plate as you want, even fiddle with hammer some. I've done that a few times on single bbl. guns with a rotten lock. Just a random idea. ....Tom
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Blackley and Son have now moved their business to Newton Stewart ,Scotland . I live in the North-East Uk and do business with Kevin for some orders he can be really slow .
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not secure a chicken house door