Traditional Muzzleloading Association
Shooting Traditional Firearms and Weapons => General Interest => Topic started by: prairie dog on March 10, 2014, 03:18:53 PM
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Hey guys I have a new toy and need some advice / information / help please.
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This is a Navy Arms sxs percussion shotgun. It is marked Navy Arms Ridgefield NJ and Pietta.
It says it's 12 gauge. The papers I got with it says the barrels are IC / Mod.
I measured the inside bore at the muzzle and got .751 on the left barrel and . 749 on the right? This seems odd to me.
I need some advice on loads as well as correct sizes of wards and cards for this gun. Anyone have any experience with one of these shotguns?
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Hi Steve
I have shot one of these for several decades here in the UK , for a good load at both game and clays I go for a volume load of 2.3/4 drms of medium grain powder a 12 gauge card wad then 1.1/8 oz of shot with a over shot wad .For game I use 5 or 6 shot and for clays 7 or 8.
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not secure a chicken house door
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Wow pd that looks sharp. Frank would love that one. Coyotes are out and howling. BH
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I bought it from Frank.
How's everything down at the Southwestern?
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Prarie dog; if my failing memory serves, .75 is a 10ga, .72 is 12ga. Does a patch w/jag feel equal resistance all the way down the bore? If so, i believe you have yourself a 10bore. This needs more research!!
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Buzzard is correct some were made in 10 gauge although 12 was the most popular here in the UK
Feltwad
A Flint Lock wil not secure a chicken hose door
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All questions got answered today when I took the gun out to the pattern boards. It's definitely 12 gauge, the barrels patterned IC and Mod and the gun loves 70 grains FF with one and an eight ounces of #9 shot. The gun fits, points right where I'm looking, and both barrels hit right where I aim. I couldn't be happier. Next trip will be to the skeet range.
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PD I wonder does Bull have a place up there to shoot clays? I guess he' ll answer when he sees this. BH
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I would also try shot size 7 and 8 for skeet it may be better than 9
Good Luck
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not secure a chicken house door
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PD I wonder does Bull have a place up there to shoot clays? I guess he' ll answer when he sees this. BH
We should ask him. I could bring one if he wants.
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I would also try shot size 7 and 8 for skeet it may be better than 9
Good Luck
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not secure a chicken house door
I used to shoot in skeet leagues with modern guns. Broke many targets with #9 shot. I like 7 1/2 and 8 shot better for trap.
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I have the exact same gun. I work up a new turkey load for it every year, but haven't killed a turkey yet....
The previous owner had spray-painted it camo....
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Muzzle only measurements do not give the actual chokes. To measure the chokes you will need actual bore size and the choke.
Devices are available from Brownell's and gunsmiths that own the tools to do so
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I have one, Navy Arms, Pietta 12 ga. Have taken a few turkeys with it, including this tom last spring. I use a stouter load though, 85 gr. 3f, 1 1/4 oz. #5s was bad medicine for this turkey.
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I have one, Navy Arms, Pietta 12 ga. Have taken a few turkeys with it, including this tom last spring. I use a stouter load though, 85 gr. 3f, 1 1/4 oz. #5s was bad medicine for this turkey.
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I took that new shotgun to the Texas Muzzle Loading Riffle Association's Fall shoot this past weekend. I won a short range trap match with it.
I was shooting a 3 dram (82 grains 2-F) - 1 1/4 ounce load of #8 shot.
It looks like the shotgun is going to work out for me.
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I have one like it but I got mine in about 1975. I took it to the corn field across the road today and got a couple honkers. I use 1-3/8 oz shot in a red pacific wad over 100 grains of GO powder (predecessor of GOEX).
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Whoa...knocking down a goose...that's some serious shooting...
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Well now That is some good sootn and ya put a good sneek on them honkers.That's dang hard to do.My hats off to you two hunters
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I went to our cut corn field again today and the Navy Arms did its part again, it took 4 shots to get 3 birds.
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I have one like it but I got mine in about 1975. I took it to the corn field across the road today and got a couple honkers. I use 1-3/8 oz shot in a red pacific wad over 100 grains of GO powder (predecessor of GOEX).
Nice going. What kind of shot are you using? Bismuth? tungsten?...
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I use lead when I can but when required I use Bismuth. Ten pounds of Bismuth cost the same as my Navy Arms side by side did new!!! Mine is SN#300 and my Dixie lite chrome bore side by side is SN# 102.
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The pacific Red wads that I use aren't made anymore but with the oversize bores in the Navy Arms they were the closest fit so I have several thousand of them. After some experimenting I found the best luck using a .03 to .07 thick over powder wad then the red wad. I have a 12ga. wad punch and use it to make over shot wads, I make them out of 1/2 gallon paper milk or juice cartons as they are plastic coated and don't absorb moisture as fast as the store bought wads.
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Rob
Keep well away from plastic wads with black powder will give you a lot of trouble .
Feltwad
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They have worked great for me for forty years and over 3000 plastic wads shot in my BP shotguns but I will quit using them as soon as they start giving me trouble:-)
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Rob
I am only speaking from experience I have seen far to many black powder guns ruined through plastic wads not only muzzle loaders but also breech loaders . They are one of the main reasons for barrel ripple also with build up of plastic in the bore may result in a bulge or worse still a bursted barrel .
Feltwad
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PD...
The only problem I've had with this SxS is the locks. 20 yrs ago the right lock stuck at full cock and wouldn't fire. I had to take it apart and do a little stoning. Yesterday the left lock wouldn't stay at full cock. It isn't heat treated and rounded a some, had to stone that one a little too :-( I can't complain too much though, I've shot over 3000 wads through it since I've owned it.