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Shooting Traditional Firearms and Weapons => General Interest => Topic started by: prairie dog on March 10, 2014, 03:18:53 PM

Title: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: prairie dog on March 10, 2014, 03:18:53 PM
Hey guys I have a new toy and need some advice / information / help please.

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This is a Navy Arms sxs percussion shotgun.  It is marked Navy Arms Ridgefield NJ and Pietta.

It says it's 12 gauge.  The papers I got with it says the barrels are IC / Mod.

I measured the inside bore at the muzzle and got .751 on the left barrel and . 749 on the right?  This seems odd to me.

I need some advice on loads as well as correct sizes of wards and cards for this gun.  Anyone have any experience with one of these shotguns?
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: Feltwad on March 10, 2014, 03:39:26 PM
Hi Steve

I have shot one of these for several decades here in the UK , for a good load at both game and clays I go for a volume load of 2.3/4 drms of medium grain powder a 12 gauge card wad then 1.1/8 oz  of shot with a over shot wad .For game I use 5 or 6 shot and for clays 7 or 8.
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not secure a chicken house door
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: Bison Horn on March 10, 2014, 09:03:08 PM
Wow pd that looks sharp. Frank would love that one. Coyotes are out and howling. BH
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: prairie dog on March 10, 2014, 10:22:09 PM
I bought it from Frank.

How's everything down at the Southwestern?
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: Buzzard on March 11, 2014, 09:36:48 AM
Prarie dog; if my failing memory serves, .75 is a 10ga, .72 is 12ga. Does a patch w/jag feel equal resistance all the way down the bore? If so, i believe you have yourself a 10bore. This needs more research!!
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: Feltwad on March 11, 2014, 11:25:07 AM
Buzzard is correct some were made in 10 gauge although 12 was the most popular here in the UK

Feltwad
A Flint Lock wil not secure a chicken hose door
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: prairie dog on March 13, 2014, 09:56:34 PM
All questions got answered today when I took the gun out to the pattern boards.  It's definitely 12 gauge, the barrels patterned IC and Mod and the gun loves 70 grains FF with one and an eight ounces of #9 shot.  The gun fits, points right where I'm looking, and both barrels hit right where I aim.  I couldn't be happier.  Next trip will be to the skeet range.  :P
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: Bison Horn on March 13, 2014, 11:24:37 PM
PD I wonder does Bull have a place up there to shoot clays? I guess he' ll answer when he sees this. BH
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: Feltwad on March 14, 2014, 02:14:51 AM
I would also try shot size 7 and 8 for skeet it may be better than 9
Good Luck
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not secure a chicken house door
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: prairie dog on March 14, 2014, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: "Bison Horn"
PD I wonder does Bull have a place up there to shoot clays? I guess he' ll answer when he sees this. BH

We should ask him.  I could bring one if he wants.
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: prairie dog on March 14, 2014, 09:51:03 AM
Quote from: "Feltwad"
I would also try shot size 7 and 8 for skeet it may be better than 9
Good Luck
Feltwad
A Flint Lock will not secure a chicken house door

I used to shoot in skeet leagues with modern guns.  Broke many targets with #9 shot.  I like 7 1/2 and 8 shot better for trap.
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: Riley/MN on March 14, 2014, 02:10:24 PM
I have the exact same gun. I work up a new turkey load for it every year, but haven't killed a turkey yet....

The previous owner had spray-painted it camo....
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: Geezer in NH on September 19, 2014, 07:48:16 PM
Muzzle only measurements do not give the actual chokes. To measure the chokes you will need actual bore size and the choke.

Devices are available from Brownell's and gunsmiths that own the tools to do so
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: No Deer on September 19, 2014, 08:29:33 PM
I have one, Navy Arms, Pietta 12 ga.  Have taken a few turkeys with it, including this tom last spring.  I use a stouter load though, 85 gr. 3f, 1 1/4 oz. #5s was bad medicine for this turkey.


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Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: Riley/MN on September 19, 2014, 08:33:19 PM
Quote from: "No Deer"
I have one, Navy Arms, Pietta 12 ga.  Have taken a few turkeys with it, including this tom last spring.  I use a stouter load though, 85 gr. 3f, 1 1/4 oz. #5s was bad medicine for this turkey.


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Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: prairie dog on October 07, 2014, 08:58:39 AM
I took that new shotgun to the Texas Muzzle Loading Riffle Association's Fall shoot this past weekend.  I won a short range trap match with it.  

I was shooting a 3 dram (82 grains 2-F) - 1 1/4 ounce load of #8 shot.  

It looks like the shotgun is going to work out for me.
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: cyotewa on January 18, 2015, 03:50:31 PM
I have one like it but I got mine in about 1975. I took it to the corn field across the road today and got a couple honkers. I use 1-3/8 oz shot in a red pacific wad over 100 grains of GO powder (predecessor of GOEX).
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: sse on January 18, 2015, 09:34:01 PM
Whoa...knocking down a goose...that's some serious shooting... :bl th up
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: Roaddog on January 19, 2015, 06:53:33 AM
Well now That is some good sootn and ya put a good sneek on them honkers.That's dang hard to do.My hats off to you two hunters :rt th
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: cyotewa on January 24, 2015, 11:00:23 PM
I went to our cut corn field again today and the Navy Arms did its part again, it took 4 shots to get 3 birds.
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: No Deer on January 25, 2015, 06:32:49 AM
Quote from: "cyotewa"
I have one like it but I got mine in about 1975. I took it to the corn field across the road today and got a couple honkers. I use 1-3/8 oz shot in a red pacific wad over 100 grains of GO powder (predecessor of GOEX).


Nice going.  What kind of shot are you using? Bismuth? tungsten?...
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: cyotewa on January 25, 2015, 09:22:59 PM
I use lead when I can but when required I use Bismuth. Ten pounds of Bismuth cost the same as my Navy Arms side by side did new!!! Mine is SN#300 and my Dixie lite chrome bore side by side is SN# 102.
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: cyotewa on January 26, 2015, 03:50:29 PM
The pacific Red wads that I use aren't made anymore but with the oversize bores in the Navy Arms they were the closest fit so I have several thousand of them. After some experimenting I found the best luck using a .03 to .07 thick over powder wad then the red wad. I have a 12ga. wad punch and use it to make over shot wads, I make them out of 1/2 gallon paper milk or juice cartons as they are plastic coated and don't absorb moisture as fast as the store bought wads.
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: Feltwad on January 27, 2015, 08:38:13 AM
Rob

Keep well away from plastic wads with black powder will give you a lot of trouble .
Feltwad
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: cyotewa on January 27, 2015, 09:17:17 AM
They have worked great for me for forty years and over 3000 plastic wads shot in my BP shotguns but I will quit using them as soon as they start giving me trouble:-)
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: Feltwad on January 27, 2015, 10:25:08 AM
Rob
I am only speaking from experience I have seen far to many black powder guns ruined through plastic  wads not only muzzle loaders but also breech loaders . They are one of the main reasons for barrel ripple also with build up of plastic in the bore may result in a bulge or worse still a bursted barrel .
Feltwad
Title: Re: New double barrel shotgun questions and loads?
Post by: cyotewa on February 24, 2015, 10:35:22 PM
PD...
The only problem I've had with this SxS is the locks. 20 yrs ago the right lock stuck at full cock and wouldn't fire. I had to take it apart and do a little stoning. Yesterday the left lock wouldn't stay at full cock. It isn't heat treated and rounded a some, had to stone that one a little too :-(    I can't complain too much though, I've shot over 3000 wads through it since I've owned it.