Traditional Muzzleloading Association
Shooting Traditional Firearms and Weapons => General Interest => Topic started by: Muddman on May 13, 2014, 03:48:47 AM
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I'm having a .62 cal Hawken built and would like to know loads other people are using and their experience with this caliber. It will have a Colerain tapered barrel 1 1/8" to 1".
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I had a buddy in Alaska that had a .62 cal. rifle. :rt th
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Round balls is all I will be shooting. The barrel twist is 1:66. I was thinking of starting out with 80 grains of 2F and increasing the load by 10 grain increments. The rifle will also come with a .54 cal. barrel, I just wanted a .62. The biggest thing I will be hunting will be elk and the occasional hogzilla here in Texas.
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I wouldn't doubt if a good accurate load dials in at well over a hundred grains...
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I'm sure it will be over 100 grains to get all the potential out of this caliber. It will be fun to work up a load once I get the rifle. I just want to see what other people are using.
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I shoot a .62 cal (20 bore) trade gun. When I shoot round ball I use 70 grains of FFg with a patched .600 round ball.
I have various shot loads that I use depending on the intended target. When using shot I am usually loading with Tow wadding
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well, given my experience with the bigger bore guns, I would say you are limiting yourself on power with a .62 caliber in 1:66.
Never had one with that fast a twist, always liked them to be nice and slow, like 1:104. Have tried 1:144 once but decided that was too slow.
So with mine, they generally dial in with a "plinking" load at around 135 grains Ffg GOEX. I use a .610 cast ball with Ox Yoke .015 dry patching. For hunting I do use Wonder Lube on the patch, for target, either saliva or Ol' Thunder.
The barrels were all tapered 1 1/8 to 1".
Another thing to consider is stock profile. My rifles have all been English Sporting Rifles, which are recoil friendly, at least to me. With a Hawken design rifle, I kinda think the big powder charges would be somewhat abusive to the shooter. So, maybe the 1:66 is a good idea after all. I would guess that you will get good results between 90 and 100 grains Ffg.
But, as always, you should let the rifle tell you what it wants to be shot with, rather than trying to tell the rifle what you want it to shoot.
Have fun, and welcome to the big bore club. A great institution.
John
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Thanks everyone for the replies.
BigSmoke, I got that 1:66 twist off the Colerain website, but I'll check with the builder to make sure of the twist. That 135 grain load sounds fun. Well its getting late or I should say early here at work its 4:45am, I will check back tomorrow.
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OK Muddy, I am thinking that 1:72 would be the fastest you would want on a .62. I had one made in 1:9? one time and that worked out pretty good also. it might have been 96? Not for sure, it's been quite a while.
Talking about rifling, I also like the lands to be narrow and the grooves to be wide, and the rifling depth to be about .006". All along the thoughts of James Forsythe.
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I'm sure it will be over 100 grains to get all the potential out of this caliber. It will be fun to work up a load once I get the rifle. I just want to see what other people are using.
I think you will find it will be a good shooter with most any load over 50 gns. 2f, but the best loads will be over 100/120 gns, mine is.
But i don't think you will like the recoil with that style but plate?
Hermit
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I'll just have to wait and see how the recoil is on the Hawken. I have a little over a year to wait. I have a GPR in .54 and with 100 grns the recoil is not bad. I'm not as sensitive to recoil as some people. I bet the .62 shot off the bench isn't so fun, but offhand should be OK and while hunting I never notice the recoil. Anyways, does anyone shoot a .62 with the Colerain barrel at 1:66? I would be curious what hunting load you use.
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OK Muddy, I am thinking that 1:72 would be the fastest you would want on a .62. I had one made in 1:9? one time and that worked out pretty good also. it might have been 96? Not for sure, it's been quite a while.
Talking about rifling, I also like the lands to be narrow and the grooves to be wide, and the rifling depth to be about .006". All along the thoughts of James Forsythe.
BigSmoke, I looked and most barrel makers us 1:72 for the .62 cal., its just Colerain that uses the 1:66. The builder has a lot of experience shooting a .62 cal. so I didn't even think about asking about rifle twist when I ordered the gun - I know a mistake. I still haven't emailed him, this internet service here only works at certain hours and there's no telling what hours - Middle East. Until tomorrow, thanks for the replies.
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I get a good group out of 63 gr. for target shooting and 95 gr. for hunting with my .62.
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In my 62 I shoot 80 ffg pushing a 018 pillow tick wrapped 600 ball. Very accurate
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. That 135 grain load sounds fun.
For a masochist!!!!!!! Way beyond my recoil limit but good luck if you can stand it. OW!!!!!!!!
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Geezer.
It is an English Sporting Rifle which has a very user friendly stock design.
At that 135 grain charge, it is less abusive than my Hawken style rifle in .54 cal using an 85 grain charge.
Plus, it has a very slow rate of twist, which I think also has something to do with recoil.
Ain't nothing to stand.
I will admit, the 8 bores and the 4 bores were a little more interesting with 300 and 400 grain charges, respectively. Oofta!!!
John
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I am new to your forum...I shoot a 62 Cal English rifle with an Oregon Barrel 1-72 twist and accuracy is very good with 120 grains on 1 1/2 Swiss and not punishing at all...I built the rifle from scratch several years ago and it has played heck with whitetail and boar alike...I also agree that the Hawken will have a bit of a bite....The English were the masters of big bore big loads......I build and shoot my own rifles and it is a pure joy...Thanks for reading my thoughts and opinions
YMHS
Hilljack
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My .62 German Jaeger was built for me in 1979 by Jud Brennan. At the time I was planning a moose hunt in northern Ontario. The guy I was going with was hunting with a modern rifle and thought I was crazy for hunting with a flintlock. He said I might get a shot as far as 200 yds so when I worked up a load I came up with 175gr's 2ff behind a .610prb.
I ended up killing a bull running away and at 50yds the ball caught him on the inside of the left hind quarter and stopped just under the hide in the brisket. My .62 is my main meat gun and the load I've used over the years on deer is 110gr 2ff behind a .600prb.
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I use 90gr of 3f. .610 roundball. .010 patch(weird, but that's what it likes. tried .015 and .020 could get a group to save my life) Same hole groups(and point of aim) at 25/50/75 yds. Havent gone any heavier, since I was looking for grouping and point of aim. and where I hunt, 75yds is a LONG shot. It is hard on whitetails!
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Thanks for the replies. I won't have the rifle until this summer and now I have enough info to work up a load.