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Shooting Traditional Firearms and Weapons => General Interest => Topic started by: Forager on July 21, 2014, 03:52:52 PM

Title: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: Forager on July 21, 2014, 03:52:52 PM
My home state just approved the use of muzzleloading handguns (single shot, breech loading, minimum of .45 caliber) for use during the big game seasons (deer and bear).  So, of course, now I "need" one.

I'm considering either the Pedersoli Kentucky flintlock in .50 or .54, the Pedersoli Bounty in .50, or the Jim Chambers American Flintlock Pistol in .54.  Any recommendations or thoughts on these three?  Anything else I should consider?

Yes, for some odd reason, I'd prefer a flinter.
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: Roaddog on July 22, 2014, 06:48:05 AM
I have a Pedersoli Kentucky flinter in 54. I took a deer some years back at around 20 yards when the rifle faild to fire. I think they are a good shooter.
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: Forager on July 22, 2014, 03:59:02 PM
Mr. Chambers has confirmed that his American Flintlock Pistol can be had with a .58 or .62 caliber barrel, so that is the choice (as it will be a nice match to the Early Virginia Rifle, Mark Silver-Virginia Rifle: Jim Chambers Flintlocks (http://www.flintlocks.com/rifles04.htm)) that I will build later.

Now, .58 or .62?  I'm leaning heavily .62 and smoothbore for the pistol.  Oh, and cherry for the stocks on both the pistol and the rifle.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: Geezer in NH on July 26, 2014, 05:45:40 PM
Big as you can get. By the way use your longun  first. Use the handgun as a back up it makes the law make sense.
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: Forager on July 28, 2014, 10:54:29 AM
Of course.  In fact, I'm leaning toward a .62 smoothbore for the pistol as a .610" ball is going to hit like a hammer at close range anyway, the velocity won't be that great, and with a smoothbore I should be able to get 50' or so worth of range from a stout load of 7 1/2 shot for grouse, rabbits, and squirrels.
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: snake eyes on July 29, 2014, 11:01:56 AM
In my state (OHIO) it is illegal to even carry a B/P pistol while hunting or for that
matter two guns of any type.
Hunting small game with shot maybe o.k. but I, myself would not care to hunt
deer, etc. with a B/P pistol. I ain't that good.
snake-eyes  :shake
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: Geezer in NH on July 29, 2014, 11:11:16 AM
Here in NH a rifle and a handgun are allowed provide the hand gun is also a single shot long gun must be a single shotm also 40 caliber min for both
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: hawkthrower on July 29, 2014, 11:25:30 PM
Out here I carry an 1858 .44 almost every hunt, extra cylinder too - No "two weapon rule" applied to sidearms in NM - On bow or BP hunts it is legal to carry a "pistol or revolver for personal protection" on any hunt. Though I do not think I'd want to shoot an animal like a Deer or Elk with a revolver unless I was attacked (very unlikely )...  bear or cougar very different story - it has happened - would I tag or no ?.......OOOOOOh yeah! But explaining it to G&F may be a bit tough! Thankfully the big cat I have crossed paths with wanted no part of me passing through and the bears I have run across on many occasions, though interested, decided that I was no threat (Thankfully).......Of course I see bear in elk season and everything but deer in deer season! and everything but Turkey in Turkey season! Oh well better to be ready for anything!
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: Detached on July 30, 2014, 07:51:33 AM
Interesting, and ridiculous rules. I can't fathom what purpose they serve. In MI I can (and do) carry a sidearm whenever I hunt. Modern deer hunting is usually a .357, sometimes a Ruger .22 if I'm squirrel hunting, for BP it's a Remington 1858 from Armi San Marco. I can also carry a sidearm while I'm bowhunting with my CPL.

I used to do some handgun hunting and some interesting combinations have arrisen over the years. I've carried a Thompson Center Contender in .35 Remington in a bandolier, and a Ruger .357 on the side. I also carried a Ruger Super Redhawk 9-1/2" scoped, with the Ruger .357.
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: Geezer in NH on September 27, 2014, 10:41:01 PM
Quote from: "Geezer in NH"
Here in NH a rifle and a handgun are allowed provide the hand gun is also a single shot long gun must be a single shotm also 40 caliber min for both
My Glock 17 is always there but being a moral hunter it is not used for game or hunting. By the way that is not allowed by F@G in NH but who cares?
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: Detached on September 28, 2014, 08:28:03 AM
Quote from: "Geezer in NH"
My Glock 17 is always there but being a moral hunter it is not used for game or hunting. By the way that is not allowed by F@G in NH but who cares?


Pardon me? Are you a moral hunter, or aren't you? You won't use the Glock because of your morals, yet it's always there. In the same breath you don't care if it's allowed or not?  :Doh!
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: Geezer in NH on September 28, 2014, 07:53:09 PM
Yep personal protection is #1
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: Detached on September 29, 2014, 08:53:28 AM
Quote from: "Geezer in NH"
Yep personal protection is #1

Time out. You're out in the woods, hunting. You already have a gun. What is the purpose for the Glock? Do you feel you'll need more capacity? Figure you might get into a firefight and need to lay down cover fire?

And regardless of your purpose, I am still at a loss as to how you can state you're an ethical hunter yet willfully break the law all in one breath. You can be ethical or unethical. You cannot be 'kind of' ethical.

I'm all for self defense, and am fortunate to live in a state that allows me to carry even while using a bow. If you want to carry illegally then do so, it's your life. Just don't have the 'gnads to say you're ethical, it doesn't wash.
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: Forager on September 29, 2014, 09:15:02 AM
I had no intention of this one turning into a cluster, and especially not of now TWO people openly admitting to unlawful and/or unethical activities.

Sheesh...
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: snake eyes on September 29, 2014, 10:12:52 AM
Quote from: "Forager"
I had no intention of this one turning into a cluster, and especially not of now TWO people openly admitting to unlawful and/or unethical activities.  Sheesh...
Forager,
 :shake [/color]
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: Forager on September 29, 2014, 10:29:47 AM
It is a valuable discussion to have; no fault there. Perhaps, however, another thread in a more appropriate venue? You would know that better than I, snake eyes.  Suggest away, and let's move the discussion there.
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: snake eyes on September 29, 2014, 10:59:02 AM
Forager,
            To be honest I would just soon drop that part of the thread altogether ....IMO
snake-eyes   :shake
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: Forager on September 29, 2014, 11:07:54 AM
Understood.  If it vanished, and/or this thread did, I'd not protest.
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: Muley on September 29, 2014, 11:32:33 AM
Just to add to the handgun conversation for info only.

In Colorado you can carry any handgun during any season for self protection. You can even carry it concealed. However, you can only use it on game in rifle seasons if it's meets the minimum specs. If you were to use it to finish off an animal in bow, or muzzleloader seasons it's illegal. However, in any season you can use it to protect yourself from attack.

Personally, i've never carried a handgun, and in 60 years of hunting i've never needed one. If I was the type to get scared I might carry bear spray.
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: gunmaker on September 29, 2014, 09:54:40 PM
Pistols are a personal choice--BUT---bigger is usually better, much better.  16 bore flint military style pistol, groups very well at 20 yd.  50 gr 2f....Tom

(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/TomKnight43/16%20Bore%20Pistol/16bore1_zpsc7acf960.jpg) (http://http)
click to see it made...
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: swathdiver on January 01, 2015, 03:44:22 AM
Quote from: "Detached"
Quote from: "Geezer in NH"
My Glock 17 is always there but being a moral hunter it is not used for game or hunting. By the way that is not allowed by F@G in NH but who cares?


Pardon me? Are you a moral hunter, or aren't you? You won't use the Glock because of your morals, yet it's always there. In the same breath you don't care if it's allowed or not?  :Doh!

Makes perfect sense to me.  It's for self-defense and the thinking goes it better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: Riley/MN on January 01, 2015, 07:08:44 AM
Quote from: "gunmaker"
Pistols are a personal choice--BUT---bigger is usually better, much better.  16 bore flint military style pistol, groups very well at 20 yd.  50 gr 2f....Tom

(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/TomKnight43/16%20Bore%20Pistol/16bore1_zpsc7acf960.jpg) (http://http)
click to see it made...

I have heard it said: "There is no replacement for displacement." I believe that fellow was talking about making horsepower in a pulling tractor, but I also believe it fits with this discussion.
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: huntinguy on January 01, 2015, 12:32:41 PM
Quote from: "Forager"
My home state just approved the use of muzzleloading handguns (single shot, breech loading, minimum of .45 caliber) for use during the big game seasons (deer and bear).  So, of course, now I "need" one.

I'm considering either the Pedersoli Kentucky flintlock in .50 or .54, the Pedersoli Bounty in .50, or the Jim Chambers American Flintlock Pistol in .54.  Any recommendations or thoughts on these three?  Anything else I should consider?

Yes, for some odd reason, I'd prefer a flinter.

A muzzleloading breech loading pistol... Ain't never seen one.  :P

I would assume there is more to the new regulation than listed here. In Washington there is a minimum barrel length, a minimum bore and a minimum charge (well, the manufacture of the pistol has to have it listed to load with a minimum charge anyway.) I would start there and work my way up.

As for the personal protection side of the question. That is up to the individual. I know my decision and my reasoning, that is all that maters to me on that subject.
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: ridjrunr on January 01, 2015, 12:42:17 PM
You may consider choosing the same caliber as your long arm,for simplicity sake if nothing else. Also would justify more flint pistols ( if you have more than one long gun for deer hunting) :toast
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: Geezer in NH on January 01, 2015, 02:31:20 PM
Reading comp must be missing. I got the jist that muzzle loading and single shot breech loading .45 min  became legal.
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: Geezer in NH on January 01, 2015, 02:32:05 PM
Quote from: "ridjrunr"
You may consider choosing the same caliber as your long arm,for simplicity sake if nothing else. Also would justify more flint pistols ( if you have more than one long gun for deer hunting) :toast
Got too agree
Title: Re: Legal for hunting now, so what to get?
Post by: Geezer in NH on January 02, 2015, 07:55:53 PM
Quote from: "Detached"
Quote from: "Geezer in NH"
My Glock 17 is always there but being a moral hunter it is not used for game or hunting. By the way that is not allowed by F@G in NH but who cares?


Pardon me? Are you a moral hunter, or aren't you? You won't use the Glock because of your morals, yet it's always there. In the same breath you don't care if it's allowed or not?  :Doh!

I am not a FUDD no F&G law can deny me the right to carry arms, especially the right to life protection. Moral yep all the way don't like it to bad. Bend over all you want I will NOT