Post by: smokepolepaul on August 21, 2014, 09:51:37 PM
Post by: Riley/MN on August 22, 2014, 10:06:48 AM
Post by: smokepolepaul on August 22, 2014, 10:36:50 AM
Thanks for the response.
Post by: petew on August 22, 2014, 02:07:11 PM
Post by: smokepolepaul on August 22, 2014, 04:05:10 PM
Post by: petew on August 22, 2014, 04:35:24 PM
Post by: smokepolepaul on August 22, 2014, 04:40:20 PM
I'll stick it in my shooting box just in case. I appreciate your help.
Paul
Post by: petew on August 22, 2014, 05:09:27 PM
Post by: smokepolepaul on August 23, 2014, 08:47:33 AM
Post by: petew on August 23, 2014, 12:23:07 PM
This is copied from the Lyman Q/A pages .
In some cases it seems you do need to change the tang. They are talking about the "Hunter barrel " and Great plains Rifle l here, with the fast twist. Lyman Products Your Primary Source for Reloading Equipment (http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/faqs/muzzle-loaders.php)
Q: I have a Great Plains Rifle. Can I just purchase the Hunter barrel to convert it to shooting conical bullets?
A: Yes, the stocks are the same. The new barrel will come with a matched tang which will need to replace your existing tang on the rifle.
I did have to shorten a rib on a barrel to make it fit diferent model Investarms stocks one time. , but never a tang.
Post by: smokepolepaul on August 23, 2014, 03:05:37 PM
Post by: petew on August 23, 2014, 03:11:36 PM
Quote from: "smokepolepaul"
I just got through pulling the lock and cleaning it. While I was at it, I pulled the .54 barrel and put the .50 barrel on. Fitted like a champ. The tangs are the same from what I see. The .50 barrel fits the stock just like the .54 did. No problems.
I have done the same with Investarm and Lyman barrels with no ill effects or poor fit with 45/50/and 54 cal 15/16" barrels. Perhaps the fast twist Hunter barrel has something diferent about it other than 1 had to have the under rib shortened by 1/8".
Post by: smokepolepaul on August 23, 2014, 03:30:53 PM
I'm not one to short cut things. I just didn't want to be changing tangs back and forth and causing excessive wear on the holes in the wood where it screws in unless I needed to.
Post by: Captchee on August 25, 2014, 08:16:25 AM
Post by: petew on September 15, 2014, 11:28:04 AM
Quote from: "Captchee"
I believe the tang on the fast twist conical barrel , is made of a harder steel so as to reduce the chance of the standing breech bending back under heavier recoil of larger conical
If this is the case, then using the fast twist tang for both barrels should solve any possible issues??
Post by: Captchee on September 15, 2014, 12:21:59 PM
IE if the company is using castings and then hand fitting the tangs to the breech plug , then there maybe a diffrence also
Post by: Geezer in NH on September 16, 2014, 05:05:00 PM
Post by: Captchee on September 17, 2014, 06:24:49 AM
I cold also see them using a different harder tang and maybe even hook , on conical barrels then on RB barrels . A few hours reading internet forums about insanely high conical loads ?
Not to mention in this day and age all it takes I one person with an issue and suddenly the internet is flooded with people and their opinions. No mater for right or wrong ..
that’s one of the reasons they changed their adjustment screw on their set triggers
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The other issue is if the tang is hand fitted . Im not saying it is . Im not saying it isn’t . just raising it as a consideration .
I have fitted alot of standing breech setups through the years . both forged and cast . there is allways fitting involved , if you want the two to mate properly .
Thus the tangs are then , for the most part not capable of being enterchanged.
Now if it were me . I would buy the barrel and the tang as they suggested . Then check it out for
Yourself . Try the barrel with your existing tang and see how it fits . If the tangs are hand fitted then you will know right away .
If the tang is harder or not , probably wont be as easy to tell ..
Then if you decide nothing is actually different and they charged you extra , send the tang back and chalk it up to advertising hype