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Traditional Firearms => Caplock Long Guns => Topic started by: cyotewa on January 14, 2015, 10:09:07 PM

Title: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: cyotewa on January 14, 2015, 10:09:07 PM
I haven't shot a GPR for several years, I was a fat guy then and now I'm a skinny guy. The GPR used to fit perfect and I had to kink my neck to shoot a TC Renegade, now the Renegade fits great and in order to see the GPR sights only the side of my chin touches the stock. I need a cheek piece for the GPR. Do I need to make a leather cheek piece or is there one out there I could buy. Gaining 60lbs back isn't an option.
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: Bigsmoke on January 14, 2015, 11:25:18 PM
Don't know, I'm still a fat guy.
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: Semisane on January 15, 2015, 09:45:54 AM
Quote from: "bigsmoke"
Don't know, I'm still a fat guy.

 :laffing Me too. And the GP fits me perfectly. Better the the Renegade and much better than the TC Hawken.
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: prairie dog on January 15, 2015, 10:04:22 AM
Check The Leatherman web site.  They have one that may be what you are looking for.
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: cyotewa on January 15, 2015, 09:59:49 PM
Thanks PD, I just ordered one.
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: cyotewa on January 23, 2015, 08:34:10 PM
I just got the cheek piece from leatherman, put it on the GPR and now my eye lines right up with the sights. Now the only problem is the big buckhorn sight is just a big fuzzy blob, but not a problem, I also got a lyman 57GPR peep from 'Optics Planet' today. Now all I have to do is drill & tap a hole in the tang and start burning powder in it.
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: snake eyes on January 23, 2015, 09:23:00 PM
Quote from: "cyotewa"
Now all I have to do is drill & tap a hole in the tang and start burning powder in it.

Sure like to see some targets when your done burning powder. Don't ask why,but for whatever reason I have never been a fan of peep-sites. :shake [/color]
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: Bigsmoke on January 23, 2015, 09:43:52 PM
snake eyes,
Me neither.  it drove me nuts trying to shoot that M-14, years and years ago.  I could do it, but I didn't like it.
John
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: Fletcher on January 23, 2015, 11:54:47 PM
My son is thin and has a Lymans GPR - LH Flinter with a cheekpiece that came standard on the stock.
Fits him great - don't know what to tell you  :oops:
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: Roaddog on January 24, 2015, 07:29:21 AM
I know what you mean abought fuzzy rear sites and peep site will clear that up.I would like to put a peep on my GPR flinter.Is the Lyman 57 a primative looking site?
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: forest on January 24, 2015, 08:38:44 AM
Quote from: "Semisane"
Quote from: "bigsmoke"
Don't know, I'm still a fat guy.

 :hairy  :lol sign
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: prairie dog on January 24, 2015, 08:59:20 AM
"Is the Lyman 57 a primative looking site?"

No.  They will not let you use it in primitive matches.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/Sells/Sells%20firearms/DSCF1338.jpg)
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: cyotewa on January 24, 2015, 10:51:53 PM
Don't know why peeps can't be used, they were invented and used 15 centuries before gunpowder. Guess that wasn't primitive enough;-)
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: Roaddog on January 25, 2015, 06:39:04 AM
Thanks Prairie Dog. I gess I'll put one on The GPR that I hunt with the most and keep the rest the way they are.
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: prairie dog on January 25, 2015, 11:58:17 AM
Quote from: "cyotewa"
Don't know why peeps can't be used, they were invented and used 15 centuries before gunpowder. Guess that wasn't primitive enough;-)

One can make a primitive peep sight.  I haven't seen many for sale.  The argument I hear against the few original rifles with peep sights is "they were added to the rifle after 1840".  I don't have evidence either way.

Some shoots have let me use the Lyman peep on that rifle and others won't. It depends on who is running the shoot.
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: Rocklock on January 27, 2015, 12:20:47 PM
Skinner has a Thompson Center sight  skinnersights dot com
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: RobD on June 09, 2015, 05:27:59 AM
pardon for resurrecting a slightly old thread.

peep sights are **SO** much more consistently accurate than u/post sights, but perhaps not so good for early 18th century warfare where there was little aiming required of the weapon of the day - the smoothbore.  buffalo hunters of the early to mid 19th century used them on both cap and flint lock rifles to down far off plains bison.  moving from caplocks to bpcr long guns, the simple peep got a major upgrade with vernier tang and soule windage, and then a hooded front globe.
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: Geezer in NH on June 09, 2015, 04:53:01 PM
For most competition they use the NMLRA rules. They don't make sense at times to me.
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: rollingb on June 09, 2015, 10:35:41 PM
Quote from: "cyotewa"
Don't know why peeps can't be used, they were invented and used 15 centuries before gunpowder. Guess that wasn't primitive enough;-)
I'd be interested in seeing some pictures, of peep sights that were invented and used on rifles 15 centuries before gunpowder.  :hairy
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: Semisane on June 09, 2015, 11:00:15 PM
Well, maybe not 15 centuries  ;) , but some early crossbows (before gunpowder) had peep sights.
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: rollingb on June 10, 2015, 12:53:48 AM
Until I see peep sights actually documented as being used on early "muzzleloaders", I will remain skeptical of such an idea.  :rt th

If peep sights can be readily documented on ancient crossbows,... I would think it should be even easier to document "peeps" on early muzzleloaders.
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: Semisane on June 10, 2015, 09:45:24 AM
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/NavZepol/Early%20Apreture%20Sight_zps9bom6szs.jpg)
Title: Re: Great Plains Rifle
Post by: rollingb on June 10, 2015, 11:54:56 AM
Percussion half-stocked Hawkens are hardly considered "early muzzleloaders",... but despite that, the rifles pictured (though likely made around very late-1830's, or even 1850's),.... the aperture sight's "origin" is much more likely to be a decade or two after the rifle was made (which would place the sight's date somewhere around 1850's-1860's), much past the "pre-1840" cut-off date used for NMLRA competition.

I'd gladly like to see earlier dates documented, as I like aperture sights myself.  :rt th