Post by: Feltwad on April 11, 2015, 04:40:17 AM
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Post by: Feltwad on April 14, 2015, 03:48:23 AM
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PS On the 16th of April Feltwad I will be 77years of age [Old Bugger]
Post by: Bigsmoke on April 14, 2015, 12:43:07 PM
That is a very different style of rifle. Although I don't really care for the design, I can readily see the amount of craftsmanship that went into its manufacture.
Happy Birthday in advance, to you. Hope you have a wonderful time on your day.
John
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Post by: Feltwad on September 27, 2016, 03:05:18 PM
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Post by: Two Steps on September 27, 2016, 04:16:15 PM
Post by: rollingb on September 27, 2016, 05:42:28 PM
Quote from: "Feltwad"
Enclosed are images of another Continental rifle that I have just restored . It is in smootbore of 16 gauge with a 35 inch sighted round iron barrelAnother fine piece of history,.... thanks Feltwad!
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Post by: Stormrider51 on September 28, 2016, 11:42:59 AM
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Post by: Uncle Russ on September 28, 2016, 08:23:34 PM
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Really interesting that it's a smoothbore. To look at the design I'd guess it would be rifled. Thanks for expanding my knowledge again.John, these posts of original rifles, IMHO, prove beyond a doubt that smooth bore RIFLES did indeed exist, as this very eloquent example shows.
John
Personally, I have never been in favor of the Schutzen style grip, but they were at one time very popular. I also admit to this being the very first Schutzen style smooth bore rifle I have ever seen.
I have seen smooth bore rifles before and most of them were with back-action locks, just why that was I have no idea, but there seems to have been quite a few smooth bore rifles around during the early to mid 1800's.
Uncle Russ...
Post by: Hawken on September 28, 2016, 08:34:19 PM
Post by: Ohio Joe on September 28, 2016, 09:15:07 PM
Did I miss it, or was bore sizes given?
Post by: Uncle Russ on September 28, 2016, 10:44:53 PM
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Did I miss it, or was bore sizes given?Joe, I think he said the bottom one was a 16 gauge.
You're right, I have also read about smooth bores being used for big game in Africa, especially the larger calibers,such as 8, 6, and 4 bore.
If I remember correctly, early thinking was that the smooth bores would supposedly not loose the energy required to "spin" the patched ball in the rifling.....to some that makes sense, to others, myself included, not so much, as I have no way of knowing how that loss of energy was measured, other than penetration.
IOW; The gyroscopic "spin", or stabilization of the round ball was felt to be unnecessary in the close ranges that some big game was hunted.
(To me, and a few others I have associated with, the presence of a rear sight was about the only thing that differentiated between a smooth bore rifle and a regular smooth bore...of course, there could well be much more to this.)
If I'm not mistaken some of this is in the following link.
Giant Bores | Classic African Cartridges 4 And 6 (http://www.shakariconnection.com/giant-bores.html)
If Bigsmoke sees this he will likely chime in.
Uncle Russ...
Post by: Feltwad on September 29, 2016, 03:53:33 AM
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Post by: Ohio Joe on September 29, 2016, 08:12:14 PM
Post by: Bigsmoke on September 29, 2016, 11:23:41 PM
Quote from: "RussB"
QuoteDid I miss it, or was bore sizes given?Joe, I think he said the bottom one was a 16 gauge.
If I'm not mistaken some of this is in the following link.
Giant Bores | Classic African Cartridges 4 And 6 (http://www.shakariconnection.com/giant-bores.html)
If Bigsmoke sees this he will likely chime in.
Uncle Russ...
Russ, that was a very interesting article. Interesting, but I am sure there are a few points that could be argued with. If I can remember a few things that I read about years ago, many of the ivory hunters were a bit reluctant to give up their muzzleloading 8 and 4 bore rifles. I believe it was Finnaughty who mentioned that a 10 bore cartridge rifle beat him up much worse than his 4 bore muzzleloader ever did. There were a few things attributed to Baker that did not sound like what he supposedly said as well. I will do a little research and maybe post things under a different thread. Not wanting to dilute this one. It is too interesting.
John
Post by: RobD on September 30, 2016, 09:38:32 AM
Quote from: "Hawken"
If it's a SMOOTHBORE it ain't a rifle!...
technically by name, it's a "smooth rifle" - that is, a smoothbore that has the design geometry of a rifle, and the rear sight of a rifle, but with no barrel rifling.
here's one i just sold ...
(http://i.imgur.com/GHhT44E.jpg)
rear sight ...
(http://i.imgur.com/a1OeqUE.jpg)
Post by: Mike Brooks on October 01, 2016, 07:01:33 AM
Quote from: "Feltwad"
I believe this gun to be a Swiss Military / Target rifle not a African big game rifle ,to me this gun may have began has a rifle and later bored smoothbore the muzzle is crownedMy assessment as well, Swiss military. It was most likely rifled when it was manufactured. The gizmo on the bottom probably has something to do with shooting from a rest. I imagine this gun is fairly heavy.
Feltwad
Post by: Feltwad on October 03, 2016, 05:21:23 AM
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