Post by: ridjrunr on April 25, 2015, 09:53:30 PM
Intereste to know history and quality of such a rifle. I have my eye on one but know little about that brand or that outfit in New Mexico. I will say it was a very nice rifle,with honest patina. No patchbox,steel furniture, straight barrel at .54 cal., etc.
Any help appreciated.
Post by: rollingb on April 25, 2015, 10:29:46 PM
Post by: Bigsmoke on April 25, 2015, 10:51:58 PM
In the late 70's - early 80's they were imported by an outfit called Western Arms or Allen Arms Co.
Shooters they were, in lieu of .520 ball, you could get a .530 with a .005 patch down the bore, but it was terribly tight.
I think Hornady used to make a .520 ball, no idea if they still do or not.
They did have grandiose plans but they never materialized. In addition to the percussion half stock, they were going to produce a flint half stock, a percussion full stock and a flint full stock, but all that ever came about was the percussion half stock.
Several years ago, Pedersoli came out with a similar rifle which I felt was absolutely beautiful.
If the rifle you are looking at is in half way decent condition, I would not hesitate to get it.
Parts should be obtainable through Uberti. Cimmaron Arms Co purchased all the inventory of Western Arms when Mr. Allen passed away.
Hope this helps.
John
Post by: Greenhorn on April 25, 2015, 11:29:51 PM
Post by: ridjrunr on April 25, 2015, 11:36:56 PM
Would the quality be on par with Pedersoli?
Thanks again, i thinkin it should go home with me soon.
Post by: Bigsmoke on April 26, 2015, 02:13:37 AM
The Uberti Hawken is really a .53 caliber and the Pedersoli is a .54.
Post by: rollingb on April 26, 2015, 02:16:33 AM
Quote from: "bigsmoke"
Nope, they are two separate companies.:rt th
The Uberti Hawken is really a .53 caliber and the Pedersoli is a .54.
Post by: ridjrunr on April 26, 2015, 08:54:46 AM
Post by: Bigsmoke on April 26, 2015, 11:45:57 AM
In retrospect, I really should have kept one of them and had it freshed out to a real .54 or maybe a .58.
Hind sight, y'know?
All the rest of the rifles that I brought in did not have that problem, so evidently they had a short learning curve.
It's kind of funny that this subject would come up right now, as I was cleaning out some papers just the other day, and I ran across a check register from that period of time. As I looked through it, I noticed how many checks for $1,500, $2,000 and even $3,000 I was writing to Western Arms Co. My goodness, I bought a lot of stuff from them. It was like every week I was bringing in a shipment of revolvers and rifles. I do kind of miss that stuff, it was rather exciting and gratifying to be turning that kind of volume out of a basement operation.
Post by: ridjrunr on April 26, 2015, 06:19:13 PM
Post by: Bigsmoke on April 26, 2015, 10:14:42 PM
I know the Cold 3rd Generation guns were assembled and finished by Colt Blackpowder from Uberti parts. Not aware of any others that did that. Wait, that's not quite correct. I think Pedersoli provided the parts for Hatfield who then assembled and finished their rifles.
Anyone else? I don't know.
John
Post by: One Shot on April 27, 2015, 02:10:53 AM
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Post by: dmills on September 01, 2015, 09:42:27 AM
Quote from: "ridjrunr"
Does anyone have any working knowledge of the Uberti Hawken rifles? There was also a marking on top of the barrel from a buisness in NM cant recall the name.
Intereste to know history and quality of such a rifle. I have my eye on one but know little about that brand or that outfit in New Mexico. I will say it was a very nice rifle,with honest patina. No patchbox,steel furniture, straight barrel at .54 cal., etc.
Any help appreciated.
Saw one recently at a gun show in Ft. Worth. History is that A. Uberti acquired an original Hawken and had his company copy it. The original was a .53 cal. which is why the first production Ubertis were .53. I would have bought that one at the gun show except some prior owner had put brass tack decorations on the stock. It was #70, though, and was probably well worth the asking price.
Post by: TurkeyCreek on September 01, 2015, 12:57:23 PM
Post by: ridjrunr on September 05, 2015, 08:47:52 PM
So, I made me a plug gage to .5263 and took that with me figuring it would barely fit in a .53 bore. Well, it barely fit, in fact it would have had to been forced a little but I could tell it wanted to go.( I didnt force it) All the other signs of the first run where there so it came home with me today. Now to get a .520 mold. Here it is.
Post by: ridjrunr on September 05, 2015, 08:50:58 PM
Post by: rollingb on September 05, 2015, 09:52:16 PM
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Post by: TurkeyCreek on September 08, 2015, 12:16:25 PM
Post by: ridjrunr on September 08, 2015, 01:26:42 PM
Hope to try it out this weekend.
Post by: ridjrunr on October 24, 2016, 12:59:04 AM
Post by: Bigsmoke on October 24, 2016, 10:06:52 AM
John
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Hows Colorado treating you ?
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The fishing has been fantastic! The Rocky mountains speak to my soul, and I am looking forward to getting some hunting in.
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