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Craftsmanship => Gun Building and Repair => Topic started by: Jamesk58 on May 16, 2015, 06:07:34 PM

Title: Hammer Scrape
Post by: Jamesk58 on May 16, 2015, 06:07:34 PM
Just received a Pietta  1851 36 cal Navy from Dixie.
Everything is pretty decent with it but the hammer scrapes against the left inside of the frame when it lowers.  
You can clearly see the scrape marks on both the hammer and the top left rounded part of the frame where the hammer resides when down.

Should I just leave it for now and see if normal use will 'wear it in'? or go ahead and remove material from one or both surfaces- and what is the best way to do so?

I would rather correct it if possible than return it.
Title: Re: Hammer Scrape
Post by: rollingb on May 16, 2015, 07:33:28 PM
I think I'd return it.

Once you work on it, there is no chance they will ever take it back.
Title: Re: Hammer Scrape
Post by: Captchee on May 19, 2015, 08:20:51 PM
could be a burr in the CNC of the fraim  that  causing it . i would look there first . as rollingB says / if you work on it , its yours
Title: Re: Hammer Scrape
Post by: Jamesk58 on May 20, 2015, 10:48:48 AM
Thanks.
I already returned the first one because of cosmetic issues and that was a bit of a hassle.
The gunsmith at Dixie said 'they're all pretty much the same".  Jeeez....
Based on that, pretty sure if I ask for a 3rd Pietta there will be something else wrong.
Doubt if I will get another Pietta based on the quality I've seen and what I've read from others.
Probably just try and fix it and move on to other units.
Title: Re: Hammer Scrape
Post by: Bigsmoke on May 20, 2015, 11:01:16 AM
Although I am not a fan of Pietta's, they do sell a lot of guns, so they can't all be bad.
I have always had my best luck with Uberti's, usually they are pretty well QCed before they leave the plant.  Since they got bought up, however, I have not had any experience with them.  
Armi San Marco I would rank with the Pietta's.
John
Title: Re: Hammer Scrape
Post by: rollingb on May 20, 2015, 11:34:29 AM
Quote from: "Jamesk58"
Thanks.
I already returned the first one because of cosmetic issues and that was a bit of a hassle.
The gunsmith at Dixie said 'they're all pretty much the same".  Jeeez....
Based on that, pretty sure if I ask for a 3rd Pietta there will be something else wrong.
Doubt if I will get another Pietta based on the quality I've seen and what I've read from others.
Probably just try and fix it and move on to other units.
I think the gunsmith at Dixie is full of beans, unless Pietta has changed since 2012. I bought 2 Pietta Remington 1858's from Cabela's and both were fine, but I was in the store and could look them over before buying.

Have you got a Cabela's in your area?
Title: Re: Hammer Scrape
Post by: Jamesk58 on May 20, 2015, 02:20:22 PM
I wasn't happy with his response or attitude hence I don't really want to deal with him again.
No Cabelas here but I understand they are very good w customer service.
The scrape isn't that bad. More annoying than anything.
I can post a pic later.
Title: Re: Hammer Scrape
Post by: Captchee on May 20, 2015, 05:22:26 PM
I would agree that if thats what the fella is dealing with , then they  must have bought a cheep batch and are thus seeing issues with all of them
 i have a Pietta 1860 , no issues at all . works very nice .
i also have a Uberti 1851 that i converted . its has some issues but  nothing  i could not  deal with .

so lets get to the beans of it . if the scratch is on the hammer then its  most likely an issue in the hammer recess . Take the hammer out  look  in the area that causing the scratch . I would bet there is a burr in there .
 If it was on the hammer you should experience a rub mark  not a scratch .
Title: Re: Hammer Scrape
Post by: Jamesk58 on May 20, 2015, 07:13:35 PM
Here's some pix.
Really don't have time right now to disassemble as I'm getting ready for a trip but you can see the areas on the frame and hammer where they scrape.
Title: Re: Hammer Scrape
Post by: rollingb on May 20, 2015, 07:56:33 PM
BOTH,... the hammer AND frame are different than mine.

I'll post a couple of pictures of my 2 Pietta 1858's in a bit.  :rt th
Title: Re: Hammer Scrape
Post by: Captchee on May 20, 2015, 08:03:50 PM
ya its an open top .
 looks like there are a few minor burrs . alittle stone work should take care of it  . doesnt look like it would take much . also your going to get little scratch like that becouse it not truly case hardened . they do chemical case coloring
Title: Re: Hammer Scrape
Post by: rollingb on May 20, 2015, 08:40:48 PM
Quote from: "Captchee"
ya its an open top .
 
I completely missed that, for some reason I thought we were talking about a Remington.  :oops:
Title: Re: Hammer Scrape
Post by: Captchee on May 20, 2015, 10:31:00 PM
Ha , no issue  :hairy
Title: Re: Hammer Scrape
Post by: Jamesk58 on May 20, 2015, 10:38:08 PM
looks like there are a few minor burrs . alittle stone work should take care of it  . doesnt look like it would take much . also your going to get little scratch like that becouse it not truly case hardened . they do chemical case coloring

Thanks Captchee.
I was hoping it was something that could be handled with a stone- which I need to get anyway.
Some of the internals looked a little suspect too, like the hand. Castings marks and such- not smooth.
May look into Numrich replacement.
Title: Re: Hammer Scrape
Post by: rollingb on May 20, 2015, 11:59:35 PM
Here's a good place to get parts for replica cap and balls.
VTIGunparts.com Online Store - Pietta 1851 Navy (http://www.vtigunparts.com/store/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=66&cat=Pietta+1851+Navy)
Title: Re: Hammer Scrape
Post by: hawkthrower on May 21, 2015, 08:40:57 AM
I've seen several hammers from the factory (Both Uberti and Pietta) that have not been deburred and the flycut on one side of the hammer or the other is sharp. This is with new replacement hammers but I'd bet a few of them get into production that way. Captchee's right lookin at those pics. A stone or a de-burring tool ( prefer the latter. no need to redo the color) and you'll have it solved.    Deburring Tool - BLICK art materials  (http://www.dickblick.com/products/deburring-tool/)