Post by: ridjrunr on September 10, 2015, 12:21:19 PM
Post by: ridjrunr on September 10, 2015, 12:28:44 PM
Post by: rollingb on September 10, 2015, 03:11:19 PM
Post by: Bigsmoke on September 10, 2015, 05:35:30 PM
I never had any feedback about cutting patches from any that I sold, nor did I experience any problems when I shot them.
Agreed, it might be better to have a little crown at the muzzle. But, maybe not necessary. Try it first and take action if needed.
John
Post by: ridjrunr on September 10, 2015, 06:19:24 PM
Post by: snake eyes on September 18, 2015, 11:41:47 AM
I have several rifles from .32 to .54 and not a one is crowned and I have never had
any problem like the one you propose.Either I have just been lucky or it is just not
a problem. I thought a crown was there to ease the loading process.FWIW
snake-eyes
Post by: Loyalist Dave on September 19, 2015, 12:44:10 PM
LD
Post by: snake eyes on September 19, 2015, 08:23:36 PM
Thanks for that info.Learn something every time I visit here. :shake [/color]
Post by: greyhunter on September 21, 2015, 06:53:51 AM
Post by: Hanshi on September 22, 2015, 12:29:58 PM
Post by: Bigsmoke on September 22, 2015, 01:07:42 PM
Anyone ever seen the original rifle? I haven't. It would be interesting to know if the original is actually like that or not.
Post by: Uncle Russ on October 02, 2015, 10:03:40 PM
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I have never seen a muzzle like that on a factory barrel. To me your muzzle looks freshly cut off with a saw. I have TC, CVA and Lyman, and all their muzzles are crowned. Your choice, but I would crown/have it crowned, by a gunsmith ................ I'm not an expert, but it seems to me, starting a ball down your rifles muzzle would be a pita. :notworthy
Uncle Russ...
Post by: Uncle Russ on October 02, 2015, 11:29:01 PM
And, T/C, to the best of my knowledge, has never used that type of front sight, and the rib ends just before the end of the Barrel.
Perhaps they have used such a sight, but over the years I have never seen it, and I've seen a few of them.
Years ago, my shop once carried Warranty Service for T/C in Lakewood, Colorado.....but they mainted an outside Warranty for only a few years, back in the 1990's. They then decided it was more cost efficient for their own factory to do the work.
Now, having said all that, I have to insure you that this can mean absolutely nothing, within itself.
However, as was mentioned by LD, and greyhunter, not having a properly crowned Barrel can definitely lead to flyers when shooting...unless you use a false muzzle constantly, even for cleaning.
Hanshi described one method, and it works quite well.
I would suggest using a Ballistic Brass Plumb, or BBP, on your power drill...using it lightly, evenly, and with very little pressure.
This fancy sounding name of BBP is nothing more than a funnel shaped piece of brass with an end that fits a 3/8" drill.
There are other methods that work with varying degrees of success, and this magic number of 11 degrees is not carved in stone, as it was simply a "best guess" by none other than P.O.Ackley, sometime back in the early 1940's, and picked as an Industry Standard.
Not because it was "magic" in anyway, but because it worked.
Prior to that, Barrels were "crowned at an angle", that angle being whatever looked good to the builder, and there were some very accurate rifle rifles prior to the 1940's!
Frankfurt Arsenal once used a 17 degree angle on some of their rifles and found , "there was no notable difference in accuracy".
Why all the fuss about the crown?
Because the crown, or the very end of the Barrel is the LAST thing the projectile touches, be it a patched ball, or a conical.
The escaping gases MUST exit the Barrel evenly, in fact, absolutely evenly or the projectile will "yaw" or lean to the opposing side of the damaged area, causing the projectile to strike high, or low, left, or right.
Most crown damage comes from using the wiping stick, and not from dings received while in use, however that too can happen. Once it starts, gas cutting will progressively make it worse.
I, by no means, want to discourage you. What I would like to see is the next picture showing some semblance of a crown, done by you...it easy, very easy. Crocus Cloth, 200 grit sand paper, followed by 400 should shine right nicely, even just using your finger.
Still yet, no one can over empathize the importance of a properly crowned muzzle....and, properly crowned simply translates to "even, all the way around".
Uncle Russ...
Post by: Bigsmoke on October 03, 2015, 12:04:40 PM
I think you missed part of the conversation. In a previous post, ridjrunr had mentioned that he was looking at an Uberti Hawken, which he subsequently purchased. After he had taken it home, he got to looking at it and was wondering about the flush barrel, hence this post. Never was the subject of a Thompson Center brought up. Yes, T/C did make about a kazillion pseudo Hawken rifles but they never did make this one.
My post on 9/22 identified the manufacturer:
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Well, so the story goes, the folks at Uberti examined Kit Carson's (?) Hawken rifle at a museum and copied it exactly to come up with this rifle. (emphasis added)
Anyone ever seen the original rifle? I haven't. It would be interesting to know if the original is actually like that or not.
In the late 1970's and into the 1980's, I was a distributor for Allen Firearms/Western Arms, who imported this rifle and also an entire line of revolvers. As such, I had the opportunity to inspect and even shoot some of these rifles. FWIW, I even gleaned one each of all their pistols (darn, wish I would have kept them) and one of the rifles. The rifle was exactly as pictured. Nothing had been cut off, I believe it had a 32" barrel. However, it is possible that they did put a random length underrib on the rifle and cut an overlength barrel back to match. I don't know, I have not been to the factory (darn, I'd sure like to go!).
It seems the tendency is that if the word Hawken is mentioned, it is now automatically assumed it is a model of rifle that T/C put out by the box car full. Almost generic, so's to say.
Anyway, this rifle is an Uberti, not a T/C.
John
Post by: Uncle Russ on October 03, 2015, 02:09:00 PM
I don't know where I came up with that T/C thing...:oops:
Uncle Russ....
Post by: Two Steps on October 03, 2015, 06:49:08 PM
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the dummy in the class to raise his hand thinking he finally may have an answer.HEY!! I didn't say anything! :(
Post by: Bigsmoke on October 03, 2015, 07:35:25 PM
Post by: RobD on December 22, 2015, 06:19:05 PM
Post by: Geezer in NH on December 23, 2015, 07:52:34 PM
Post by: Bigsmoke on December 23, 2015, 10:18:00 PM
These rifles were ALL delivered this way, they did NOT forget to crown them, that is the way that everyone one I ever had in inventory came. And I definitely had more than just a few.
FWIW, Uberti isn't really Uberti anymore since it sold out a few years ago. I forget who bought them out but I think they are in Maryland. Seems like it is Benelli and they are in Accokeek.
Besides, these rifles were made in the 1970's and early 1980's. Not so sure they are even making them now, nor have they been made for a while.
Post by: ridjrunr on December 23, 2015, 11:17:06 PM
Post by: ridjrunr on December 23, 2015, 11:18:39 PM
Post by: Geezer in NH on December 24, 2015, 08:37:50 AM
Post by: RobD on December 24, 2015, 08:39:57 AM
