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Craftsmanship => Gun Building and Repair => Topic started by: ridjrunr on February 14, 2016, 03:53:21 PM

Title: Flea market find
Post by: ridjrunr on February 14, 2016, 03:53:21 PM
This was found this morning,walnut stock, nose cap,patch box hook breech tang,butt plate. I guessed it was 15/16 channel and that appears to be the case. Now what I am not shure of is the maker. I am not familiar like many are with Tompson center rifles, but thats what the patch box reminded me of.Can anyone ID this as such for shure.?
The plan would be to use a spare 15/16" USA made cva barrel I have, buy a L&R rpl to fit the current mortise, and continue to build a "swap meet special" plains rifle. It would also entail removing one and repositioning one barrel key lug.
Thanks for any help
Ridjrunr
Title: Re: Flea market find
Post by: ridjrunr on February 14, 2016, 03:58:39 PM
Lock mortise
Title: Re: Flea market find
Post by: rollingb on February 14, 2016, 04:31:42 PM
That sure looks like a TC Hawken stock to me, and I'm sure a TC lock will fit it,.... not sure about trying to fit a CVA barrel to it though.
Might be easier to just go back with a TC barrel and lock if you can find'em. (maybe ebay,... or the "drop-ins" and RPL's from TOTW?)
Title: Re: Flea market find
Post by: ridjrunr on February 14, 2016, 06:14:16 PM
According to tow, the rpl tomson plate is 5/8x5 1/16,the mortise measures 1"x 5.015 ish
Which matches to Lyman,cabela,investarms lock measurements. That must be it ,5/8 is a long way from 1". The hook on the breech plug isnt a perfect fit to the tang. I would like to see a Lyman,cabela,investarms breech end of a 15/16 barrel to compare.
Anyone happen to have a picture of that? Maybe it can be reworked to fit properly.
Title: Re: Flea market find
Post by: rollingb on February 14, 2016, 09:32:02 PM
Quote from: "ridjrunr"
According to tow, the rpl tomson plate is 5/8x5 1/16,the mortise measures 1"x 5.015 ish
Which matches to Lyman,cabela,investarms lock measurements. That must be it ,5/8 is a long way from 1". The hook on the breech plug isnt a perfect fit to the tang. I would like to see a Lyman,cabela,investarms breech end of a 15/16 barrel to compare.
Anyone happen to have a picture of that? Maybe it can be reworked to fit properly.
Dan,.... my TOTW catalog shows the same measurements for the TC RPL,.... but I'm thinking it must be a misprint of sorts, because even the small Becky's lock measures .80" (over 3/4") in width.  :rt th
Title: Re: Flea market find
Post by: ridjrunr on February 14, 2016, 09:53:03 PM
Ya, I guess 5/8 is pretty small. Hopefully someone can chime in. I couldnt find my tow cat. In the garage, its still packed. When I find it I can trace a template to compare. Or call track.
Title: Re: Flea market find
Post by: rollingb on February 14, 2016, 10:20:34 PM
Quote from: "ridjrunr"
Ya, I guess 5/8 is pretty small. Hopefully someone can chime in. I couldnt find my tow cat. In the garage, its still packed. When I find it I can trace a template to compare. Or call track.
Calling Track would probably be your best bet, because they don't show pictures of the RPL's in their catalog (they only provide descriptions and prices).

Having said that,.... I'm still sure a TC lock will fit your stock's mortise because of the location of the lock's bolt hole in the stock.  :laffing  :rt th
Title: Re: Flea market find
Post by: ridjrunr on February 15, 2016, 12:38:34 AM
I belive your right rondo, I looked up some tomsons on gunbroker,same tang, same everything.
Title: Re: Flea market find
Post by: rollingb on February 15, 2016, 01:13:47 AM
Quote from: "ridjrunr"
I belive your right rondo, I looked up some tomsons on gunbroker,same tang, same everything.
:hairy
Title: Re: Flea market find
Post by: ridjrunr on March 30, 2016, 11:27:22 PM
Little by little its coming along.
Title: Re: Flea market find
Post by: rollingb on March 31, 2016, 01:28:01 AM
Lookin' good!  :rt th
Title: Re: Flea market find
Post by: ridjrunr on February 15, 2017, 09:11:18 PM
Well finally I will resume work on the swap meet special. I cut off the patent breech and purchased a Tc hooked breech. I drilled a c' bored the hole to thread for the new bp but discovered my combo lathe just didnt have the rigidity and the hole came out kind of egg shaped. So, I ended up taking it to a friend that hs a rel metl working lathe and he fit the bp with good secure threads.This weekend I hope to get alot more done on it , finish inletting the L& R lock, cutting a new dovetail for an underlug ( repositioned) etc.
Anyone else building up anything new?
Title: Re: Flea market find
Post by: Winter Hawk on February 15, 2017, 10:15:36 PM
I'm curious to see how the pan will line up with the touch hole.  I put a RPL lock on my Pennsylvania Hunter and had to move it back about 1/8 inch after I had it in the lock mortise.  Something to watch for if the breech plug is already drilled for the vent.

~Kees~
Title: Re: Flea market find
Post by: ridjrunr on February 15, 2017, 11:13:53 PM
When you buy a new Tc breechplug, it is undrilled. So I will be adding a liner.
Title: Re: Flea market find
Post by: ridjrunr on February 22, 2017, 02:03:41 PM
Last weekend I resumed work on the barrel, cutting the dovetail to accomidate the tc stock (single key versus double key),next is drawfile breech plug to match barrel and then finish inletting lock to get the bolster against the barrel flat.also need to solder in fillers into the old barrel keys and file smooth.
Title: Re: Flea market find
Post by: McBullett on February 22, 2017, 10:08:39 PM
GOOD JOB Big Splash!!!
Title: Re: Flea market find
Post by: Eric Krewson on February 23, 2017, 09:07:48 AM
Good job; I put a Renegade together with random parts and used a L&R RPL lock a few months ago. Fitting the so called "drop in " lock was a nightmare, I had to move the barrel back, grind off part of the tang, redrill the lock bolt hole and a host of other things to make it work.

I started with this;

(https://i.imgur.com/GX1Gkmn.jpg)

And ended up with this after pulling all my hair out trying to get everything to fit and work properly.

(https://i.imgur.com/LIYIpP3.jpg)

Check your L&R lock, I had to send mine back twice, once for a casting flaw and the second time because the tumbler shaft stuck too far through the lock plate and the hammer stop on the hammer only hit the corner of the lock plate and was flaring the lock plate metal. L&R did a lousy job of fixing the problem and I had to fix their fix when I got the lock back.