Post by: Mike in Oz on February 15, 2016, 03:26:11 AM
Well i'm a little excited
My dealer (that sounds so bad) just laid his hands on this little beauty for me! Shes clean, crisp and internally magnificent with only a few minor dings on the outside.
I can't wait to get her down the range next weekend and give her a try before i wade through the required paperwork (yay. registration.)
I'll let you know how she goes.....
(i should probably mention that this is my first ever muzzle loader too!)
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Post by: Roaddog on February 15, 2016, 06:29:16 AM
Post by: rollingb on February 15, 2016, 09:56:45 AM
Post by: Lonewolfe20 on February 15, 2016, 09:56:26 PM
Post by: Mike in Oz on February 16, 2016, 05:05:12 AM
Quote from: "Roaddog"
That looks like a real sweethart.I'm sure you two will get along real well togather.Do you have all the fixins to make it go bang?
I can borrow what i need from the guys at the club, until i get it added to my license. Then i'm good to go!
Post by: Mike in Oz on February 16, 2016, 05:06:28 AM
Quote from: "rollingb"
Good looking rifle. :rt th
Cheers mate!
Post by: Semisane on February 17, 2016, 10:58:05 AM
But man, when I read stuff like "wade through the required paperwork" and "added to my license" in conjunction with a muzzleloader it makes me want to cry. You have my sincerest sympathy.
Post by: Hanshi on February 17, 2016, 05:57:21 PM
Post by: Mike in Oz on February 18, 2016, 07:07:32 AM
Quote from: "Semisane"
Congrats cylon. Looks like a good-un.
But man, when I read stuff like "wade through the required paperwork" and "added to my license" in conjunction with a muzzleloader it makes me want to cry. You have my sincerest sympathy.
Yeah, lets leave that subject alone eh? Different countries have different rules....
Post by: Semisane on February 18, 2016, 10:29:41 AM
Quote from: "cylon"
Quote from: "Semisane"Congrats cylon. Looks like a good-un.
But man, when I read stuff like "wade through the required paperwork" and "added to my license" in conjunction with a muzzleloader it makes me want to cry. You have my sincerest sympathy.
Yeah, lets leave that subject alone eh? Different countries have different rules....
Yep. Nuff said.
Post by: Mike in Oz on March 02, 2016, 05:45:04 AM
Accuracy is very good but there's a real learning curve involved because with my cartridge rifles i can head shot a roo at a 100 meters no worries but the cap going off is causing me to flinch so I'm all over the place at 50 meters. But I'll fix that with practice.
I was shooting a light load only 40 grains (I'll play with that too later) and stuffing home cast balls and patches (muzzle loading supplies are scarce out here but i can always find roofing leading and mattress ticking!
I also need to adjust the trigger, its too damn light. I'm used to shooting military rifles with some slack to take up not a hair trigger -goboomassoonasyoulookatit- type thing.
Regardless, awesome fun and i can't wait to bring her home so i can plink in the paddock.
Post by: Roaddog on March 02, 2016, 06:10:04 AM
Post by: Mike in Oz on March 02, 2016, 06:18:54 AM
Quote from: "Roaddog"
I'm glad you got to shoot her.If the trigger is to light ,don't set the rear trigger just pull the frunt.After you get the hang of things then start seting the rear trigger. Then if you think it's to light go ahead and ajust it.Of all things just have fun.It will all come togather. :lol:
Post by: Riley/MN on March 02, 2016, 07:07:07 PM
Quote from: "cylon"
....My dealer (that sounds so bad)...
Every junkie needs one
Post by: Mike in Oz on March 18, 2016, 09:50:30 AM
Still waiting on the addition to my license from the state police...... :/
Post by: bubba_50 on July 03, 2016, 04:13:15 PM
Post by: PetahW on July 04, 2016, 08:32:51 PM
FYI - The early versions of both the T/C Hawken & the T/C Seneca were unmarked (barrel roll-stamping) as to which model they were, so the best way to determine exactly what rifle's on hand would be to measure the rifle.
T/C Hawken's were made in .45, .50 & .54 caliber, all had 28" barrels (measured from the muzzle to the forward end of the patent breech - look for the joint just ahead of the ignition) that measure either 15/16" or 1" across-the-flats.
Hawken's had heavy barrels, full-size locks & full-sized stocks that look identical to Seneca parts, but will measure differently, and are not interchangeable.
Some Hawken parts are available from T/C & aftermarket vendors.
T/C Seneca's were made (only) in .32, .36, & .45 caliber, all with 27" barrels that measure 13/16" across-the-flats.
Seneca's had lighter/slimmer barrels & smaller/slimmer locks & stocks (compared to a Hawken model).
Almost no Seneca parts are available, since the separate T/C buildings that made the guns (Cherokee, Partiot, Seneca) burnt to the ground, leaving no parts, design plans, or special machinery use for those downsized guns.
Below are my two Seneca rifles (a .36 & a .45)
(https://s26.postimg.org/5ucgxxrzt/DSCN2036.jpg)
(https://s26.postimg.org/851dy60hl/Seneca_s.jpg)
I hope everybody had a safe & happy 4th of July ! .
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Post by: Mike in Oz on July 04, 2016, 09:22:59 PM
Quote from: "bubba_50"
the beautiful Thompson-Center 45cal in your pix is a Seneca which as a general rule here in the states goes for quite a bit more coin than does the Hawken.
Hey bubba,
Do you mean my Hawken?
Post by: bubba_50 on July 04, 2016, 10:51:17 PM
and again, at least here in the states, a Seneca will command quite a bit better price than a Hawken on average.
Post by: Mike in Oz on July 05, 2016, 02:10:47 AM
Quote from: "bubba_50"
call it what you will but, the gun in the picture at the top of this post is a T/C Seneca. and looks to be a nice one at that. if you look carefully at PetahW's pix you can see it's exactly the same. your barrel will be 13/16ths by 27 inches whereas the Hawken barrel is 15/16ths by 28 inches the Hawken patchbox, triggerguard, and nosecap are also different from the gun pictured. easy to tell the difference once you've seen them side-by-side.
and again, at least here in the states, a Seneca will command quite a bit better price than a Hawken on average.
Cool! :D
I'll have to get my calculator out to go from imperial to metric but thats really quite interesting!
So what does a Seneca like mine go for in the US? And apart from being a little lighter and shorter was there any other significant differences?
Post by: Mike in Oz on July 05, 2016, 06:33:47 AM
Unfortunately I don't have an old imperial measure (all mine are metric) so I'll take it as read that it's 13/16ths...
Also as an update to this thread, I got my paperwork through and have been banging away like a champion!
Now I've hit an ammo shortage drama where the entire state has run out of black powder.... Stupid .gov "helping" again....
So a mate is going to teach me how to grind my supply of 1F powder into 3F powder.
Should be all sorts of exciting.
Post by: Mike in Oz on July 06, 2016, 05:29:33 AM
It consisted of an old hand cranked coffee grinder and about an hour of sweaty palms and twitching!
But we got there in the end. :D
I'll update the thread later after i've had a chance to try it out.
(FYI shooting 1F powder out of a .45 rifle sucks. the fouling is just insane and the fouling itself is a total pain in the arse to clean out).
Post by: PetahW on July 06, 2016, 07:49:09 PM
A .45 Seneca, since it was the most common Seneca bore, will usually trade hands in the $500USD range, in excellent condition.
The smaller bore Seneca's come somewhat more dearly - like +50% (+/-)
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