Post by: tonyhd98 on March 19, 2016, 01:14:30 PM
Just joined the forum looking for a critique. Barrels: .45 cal by Rice, Swivel Breech Action: by Precision Machinery, Brass Mounts: by TDC and Reeves Goering Brass.
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Post by: rollingb on March 19, 2016, 01:54:18 PM
......., and welcome to our TMA forum Tony.
Post by: tonyhd98 on March 19, 2016, 07:30:57 PM
Post by: greyhunter on March 19, 2016, 10:35:21 PM
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Beeeeaaaauuuutiful rifle! :hey-hey :waveYep, it's a keeper !
......., and welcome to our TMA forum Tony.
Post by: amm1851 on March 20, 2016, 12:12:09 AM
Post by: Roaddog on March 20, 2016, 05:56:02 AM
Welcom to the TMA. :rt th
Post by: tonyhd98 on March 20, 2016, 09:09:32 AM
Last August a friend of mine gifted me the instructional book Building a Swivel Breech by Dave Waters. Since that time I've tooled up my machine shop; Precision Machinery and have built 5 swivel breech actions and two rifles. I'm on the third rifle now but am delayed as I try to shift from the L&R Manton lock parts to the Jim Chambers Siler lock. I'm a bit fussy when it comes to making a high quality consistent rifle and I feel the Siler parts ie. frizzen, pan cock and tumbler are a better choice.
The rifle pictured (#2) is 10.1 lbs, barrels are 38" long, .45 cal by Rice, overall length is 54.5" long, 3" drop at the butt, 1 7/8" drop at the comb, 14.5" length of pull and 1/4" cast off. The sight radius is 29.5" and the sight height from the centerline of the barrel has been adjusted during building to allow for easy sighting in at 25 yards as the patched ball rises and 100 yards as the ball is descending in it's arc towards the ground. This accuracy is predicated on proper patch thickness, lube, ball diameter and powder combination.
Unlike other swivel breech builders, I do not weld or solder the barrels together. I consider this very dangerous and it seriously impacts accuracy.
My barrels are free floating and due to the brass muzzle cap design, float individualy as they expand and contract due to the differential heat from firing. During firing, one barrel is always hotter than the other. If the barrels are welded there are serious stresses in the barrel metal and can easily fracture under the pressures from firing unless properly normalized, however the barrels will still bend like a banana longitudinally impacting accuracy.
Thanks again for the input,
Tony
Post by: Riley/MN on March 20, 2016, 06:53:44 PM
Post by: RonC on March 21, 2016, 10:15:41 AM
Welcome to the forum!
Ron
Post by: tonyhd98 on March 21, 2016, 10:18:06 AM
Post by: Uncle Russ on March 21, 2016, 10:41:04 PM
That rifle is nothing short of pure eye candy to these old eyes.
That wood actually speaks to me, albeit those barrels is where the real meat is.
Your skills are to be complimented, keep up the good work.
Uncle Russ...
Post by: tonyhd98 on March 22, 2016, 09:04:17 AM
Post by: Longhunter on March 27, 2016, 09:03:41 AM
Post by: JO49er on March 28, 2016, 08:56:48 AM
Post by: Longhunter on March 28, 2016, 11:39:22 AM
Paint's His Shirt Red from Jeremiah Johnson had one
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Post by: tonyhd98 on March 29, 2016, 11:29:20 PM
I chose the .45 cal rifled barrels for my swivel breech rifles because they are powerful rifles for the game east of the Mississippi. You can always load a .45 cal rifled barrel with a shot load for squirrel and rabbit.
Shooting the large bores demand lots of powder, more frequent cleaning, more expensive lead balls and a sharp kick in the shoulder. Range is minimally increased as force equals mass times acceleration. We can't cheat physics.
If you're hunting a Kodiac grizzly, yes, you need a large caliber rifle and some sort of shoulder padding for a pleasant day of shooting.
I love opinions and exceptional thought, economy, accuracy, quality and customer satisfaction are my primary concerns. I love what I'm doing and just try to pay the light bill.
Just my opinion guys,
Tony
Post by: Riley/MN on March 30, 2016, 11:34:23 AM
Quote from: "Longhunter"
I would keep both pans primed. My preference for a swivel breech would be a .54 rifle and a .54 (28ga) smoothbore...or maybe a .62 rifle and 20ga smoothbore.
Paint's His Shirt Red from Jeremiah Johnson had one
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I still have never seen a good enough picture to know if that were a swivel or a SxS... I have tried to find more info on that gun for years!
Post by: Longhunter on March 30, 2016, 12:32:25 PM
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I still have never seen a good enough picture to know if that were a swivel or a SxS... I have tried to find more info on that gun for years!
It appears that it's a rifle and smoothbore. I'm guessin it to be a 50 or .54 rifle with a larger smoothbore. Side by side Drillings were like that but I'd rather believe it's a Swivel.
Post by: Longhunter on March 30, 2016, 12:47:48 PM
Paints-His-Shirt-Red - Topic (http://muzzleloadermag.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/20610091/m/9804096318)
Post by: Longhunter on March 30, 2016, 12:51:54 PM
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Firearms of the American West: 1803-1865 includes some info on "cape" guns used in America and notes how one was carried by a western Indian.
The double gun in the movie came from John Milius's collection and is a side by side. Milius is a big gun knut and was a writer and director on JJ the movie.
aka Chuck Burrows
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Post by: sse on March 30, 2016, 06:10:52 PM
Post by: tonyhd98 on March 30, 2016, 06:29:18 PM
Post by: Uncle Russ on March 30, 2016, 07:59:49 PM
Quote from: "tonyhd98"
Re: Paints his shirt red. Assuming a 2" to 3" drop of the butt plate from the sight line, the Indian portrayed in the picture would be carrying a SXS comfortably with the butt stock comfortably resting by his side. The muzzle arrangement indicates that the ramrod is positioned on the bottom of the forestock between the two barrels further confirming Longhunter's post. I'm satisfied with the verdict!
Yep, me too.
The position of the ramrod is what made me think that is was a SxS.
And then when Longhunter posted CB's thoughts I was further convinced that the ramrod was where it should be for a SxS.
Uncle Russ...
Post by: Riley/MN on April 01, 2016, 05:05:02 PM
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I find that Chuck Burrows is usually the best source of the truthQuoteGreyWolf
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Firearms of the American West: 1803-1865 includes some info on "cape" guns used in America and notes how one was carried by a western Indian.
The double gun in the movie came from John Milius's collection and is a side by side. Milius is a big gun knut and was a writer and director on JJ the movie.
aka Chuck Burrows
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I looked up Mr Milius' address once and wrote to him asking about this particular gun. Never received a reply....
Post by: Longhunter on April 01, 2016, 05:11:34 PM
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I looked up Mr Milius' address once and wrote to him asking about this particular gun. Never received a reply..
"Some folks say he's up there still"
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Post by: Riley/MN on April 01, 2016, 05:16:20 PM