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Shooting Traditional Firearms and Weapons => General Interest => Topic started by: Mike B on September 03, 2016, 01:21:04 PM

Title: Hooked breech plug?
Post by: Mike B on September 03, 2016, 01:21:04 PM

Does anyone know who might make a long rifle with a full stock with a hooked breech plug.  Or do all long rifles have the barrels pinned in place?

Thanks!

Title: Re: Hooked breech plug?
Post by: RobD on September 11, 2016, 04:42:05 PM

i don't know ... but, i don't see why not.  instead of pins, 2 or 3 wedges would do nicely.  

check this out ....

(http://www.hawkenrifles.com/rifles/713111/IMG_2318.jpg)

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Title: Re: Hooked breech plug?
Post by: RobD on September 11, 2016, 04:57:41 PM

here's one built by tom watson sr. for a TMA member ...

Title: Re: Hooked breech plug?
Post by: Bigsmoke on September 11, 2016, 09:41:33 PM

RFD, In my mind, there is a difference between a full stock Hawken rifle and a "long rifle".
I make no claim to be knowledgeable about long rifles, but I don't think many, if any, ever had a hook breech and  a wedge retaining system.  At least, none that I have ever recalled seeing.
On the other hand, most all Hawkens have had a hook breech and wedges.
YMMV, and probably will.
John

Title: Re: Hooked breech plug?
Post by: RobD on September 12, 2016, 05:38:31 AM

i absolutely agree, john.  

the classic long rifle or smoothbore is pinned, not wedged.

however, there are those early flinter hawken full stocks the brothers made in the very early 19th century, with hooked breeches and wedged barrels, as i've shown above, and still crafted these dayze by good gunmakers.

hooked breeches and wedge barrels are my absolute fave, but they're just not a real part of the world of 18th century flinters, where pinned full stocks ruled.