Post by: lbothell on November 16, 2016, 05:00:34 PM
Post by: RobD on November 16, 2016, 05:02:59 PM
Post by: lbothell on November 16, 2016, 05:10:09 PM
plus it would be a cool build. But getting back to the point, these calibers do exist then?
Post by: RobD on November 16, 2016, 05:22:06 PM
Post by: Bigsmoke on November 16, 2016, 05:27:48 PM
Hmmm, methinks I have heard of folks that had made .22 caliber muzzleloaders, so why not go that way and re-purpose an old .22 barrel. Seems it might be a lot easier than trying to get a .177 cal barrel made. Could maybe use the Betsy lock from L & R? I think that's what their small one is called. After that, it would just be like building a regular rifle. Only on a slightly smaller scale.
If you were thinking of using shot, I guess the barrel would need to be reamed out. Imagine your friendly local machine shop could do that. Probably could only use like #9 shot in it. Or, if you were going to shoot ball, Jeff Tanner could probably make a little brass mould in what, .205 or .210? Maybe .215?
Cool idea, I'd be interested in following the build.
Go for it!!!
John
Post by: Bigsmoke on November 16, 2016, 05:30:24 PM
Quote from: "Rob DiStefano"
it would/should be ridiculously quiet, but there'd still be a bunch of that 'sweet' smoke from the 5 grain charge. ;)
Man, what a change of pace from the old 8 bore, about 23 shots per pound.
Funny to think that I often spill as much powder per shot as he would use.
Post by: lbothell on November 16, 2016, 07:11:07 PM
Post by: RobD on November 16, 2016, 07:26:10 PM
Post by: lbothell on November 16, 2016, 07:35:26 PM
Post by: Bigsmoke on November 16, 2016, 08:33:07 PM
So, in old time American, 20 meters would be about 22 yards or a little less, right?
I have no doubt that you could do that with a little smoothie quite easily.
Might have to work with your powder charge a bit to dial it in. "Hmmm, let's see now, I'll bump it up from 5 to 5 1/4 grains and see what that does." lol. You definitely won't be using Fg powder, that's for sure. What do you think, guys, Fffg or Ffffg?
Truly sounds like a fun and unique project. I like it. (And I don't like tiny guns much, either.)
Post by: Hank in WV on November 16, 2016, 09:44:07 PM
Post by: RobD on November 16, 2016, 10:40:08 PM
a bb smoothie should do the trick, no rifling needed. a bb is .177 so a bore of .195 or so should do an allow for patching. fouling will be a major issue and cleaning 'tween shots pretty mandatory, i'd think.
Post by: Mike Brooks on November 17, 2016, 07:17:13 AM
Post by: RobD on November 17, 2016, 07:22:03 AM
mike, what'd be your guess for a .177 powder charge? 3f or 4f? i figure a bore of just under .20 to allow for patching? smoothbore should be as good if not better than a rifled barrel?
Post by: lbothell on November 17, 2016, 07:29:13 AM
Post by: RobD on November 17, 2016, 07:35:23 AM
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Post by: Mike Brooks on November 17, 2016, 08:57:58 AM
Quote from: "lbothell"
The more I think of this the more I just want to go with a tiny smoothie haha just seems like a cool thing. Okay so my question is how affective at 20 yards would a, let's say .25 cal smoothie work with shot in it? I know a patches round ball would be fine as we mentioned but would it be a blowout with shot or would it hold somewhat of a pattern out to 20? I know this is all speculation bc I don't know of a .25 caliber smoothie haProbably similar to a .22LR shooting shot loads. they're loaded with what looks to be #12 shot and are effective from the floor of the barn to the roof for sparrows. Won't shoot through the roof either.
Post by: Keb on November 17, 2016, 09:10:37 AM
Post by: RobD on November 17, 2016, 09:12:45 AM
whether rifled or smoothbore, what ball size and patching was used with the .20?
the powder granulation and charge?
thanx,
rob.
Post by: Muley on November 17, 2016, 09:53:29 AM
I was quite the slingshot hunter as a young kid.
Post by: Keb on November 18, 2016, 08:53:19 AM
Post by: Uncle Russ on November 18, 2016, 12:41:11 PM
Quote from: "Mike Brooks"
Quote from: "lbothell"The more I think of this the more I just want to go with a tiny smoothie haha just seems like a cool thing. Okay so my question is how affective at 20 yards would a, let's say .25 cal smoothie work with shot in it? I know a patches round ball would be fine as we mentioned but would it be a blowout with shot or would it hold somewhat of a pattern out to 20? I know this is all speculation bc I don't know of a .25 caliber smoothie haProbably similar to a .22LR shooting shot loads. they're loaded with what looks to be #12 shot and are effective from the floor of the barn to the roof for sparrows. Won't shoot through the roof either.
Yep Mike, that's the way I remember it to.
I have shot more than just a few of those in years past, even tried 'em on a Squirrel once, but that was not the right thing to do.... and my story of the event didn't set very well with my dear old Dad.
Still yet, young boys learn quick and I was allowed to keep the gun.
Uncle Russ...
Post by: lbothell on November 18, 2016, 03:46:22 PM
Post by: Mike Brooks on November 19, 2016, 07:50:50 AM
Quote from: "lbothell"
Uncle Russ I agree, I know I have my fair share of off par moments haha. I'm thinking of definitely going with a small smoothie, but wanted to ask Keb was the .20 smoothie you had accurate? Guy was telling me back home that a smooth bore that small would have a pie pan size grouping at 20 yards at best. Which didn't make sense because I know some of you are shooting better then that at 50 to 70 yards with the big smooth bores.I have seen .40 smoothbores shoot real well. It will be all how you work up your load, a .20 should shoot well out to at least 30-40 yards.