Post by: Lonewolfe20 on December 23, 2016, 01:56:50 PM
I've only ever shot Goex and pyrodex
But wondered what you guys thought of the other two brands
And what you shoot and why
Or what loads are better
Thanks for your help
Post by: Hawken on December 23, 2016, 05:52:07 PM
Try a few and see!
Post by: Lonewolfe20 on December 23, 2016, 06:13:22 PM
We went to an outfitter that had Swiss and Schuetzen.
And didn't know which was better
Post by: Hawken on December 23, 2016, 06:39:56 PM
Post by: Uncle Russ on December 24, 2016, 01:40:23 AM
It will be very interest to see how or others think one powder is better than another.
A few years back I was going to do my dead level best to see if I could prove Swiss was better than Goex.........
Personally, at one poing, I think I did "prefer" Swiss 2F, but right now I only have 2 cans of Swiss left, and over 20 cans of Goex, all grades, including 1F, and Cannon. But I don't feel handicapped by that in anyway.
After testing literally hundreds of loads, in several different muzzleloaders here is what I decided back then.
I suspect I decided Swiss performed a wee bit better a couple of years back, when I had 5# of it to play with and I was trying to decide if performed any better than Goex...during those shooting sessions back then I somehow had this feeling that Swiss may have had a slight edge on Goex, in a couple of the tests.
I distinctly thinking at the time that the Swiss was likely better. But I had very little documentation to prove that...and now as time as gone by, and I have a long time to reflect on what really happen, it would be hard for me to say.
A couple of points I still remember well.
1. Swiss gave the best / smallest shot deviation across the Chronograph on many occasions in different guns of different calibers, anytime I can get an honest SD of 12 I know my loading procedure is good ...but, is that significant in the evaulation??
2. Swiss invariable gave a few feet extra velocity, and by "a few" I mean a very few like 15 sometimes 20FPS....but, is that significant???
Goex may have won out in accuracy, but I would have had to spit some very fine hairs to make this become a fact, in fact, they are so close in accuracy it would be a very tough decision to make.....I know this is significant!.
This is my observation, my alone, and others, with their rifle, and loading differences may see something else, something entirely different.
One thing is for sure, neither Swiss, or Goex have any fleas on either one of them.
To say which was best, one needs to be much more astute than mysef, and / or perhaps have some results that are much more convincing that what I had to work with.
Before Chronographing these two powders, I somehow felt that Swiss would be much faster using the same weight by volume, but that was not the case at all.
FWIW; Uncle Russ...
Post by: Mike Brooks on December 24, 2016, 07:44:06 AM
Post by: Ohio Joe on December 24, 2016, 08:14:14 AM
Goex will always have my support.
Post by: Lonewolfe20 on December 24, 2016, 08:26:11 AM
I appreciate everyone's input as to what and why
We ended up buying a pound of each so with the Goex I already have we should be able to do some side by sides and hopefully get a feel for it
We bought them at
Upper Missouri trading post in Crofton Nebraska
A very nice place with a good selection of black powder guns and acc
Merry Xmas all
Post by: amm1851 on December 24, 2016, 10:50:50 AM
Post by: Ohio Joe on December 24, 2016, 02:08:21 PM
Post by: Uncle Russ on December 24, 2016, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: "Lonewolfe20"
I didn't want to start any Blackpowder Feuds when I asked this :santa
Uncle Russ...
Post by: sse on December 27, 2016, 04:09:43 PM
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My personal like is KIK 2FWhere are you getting that from these days?
Post by: sse on December 27, 2016, 04:16:33 PM
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One thing is for sure, neither Swiss, or Goex have any fleas on either one of them.I've always "heard" that Swiss is a tad more powerful and a tad cleaner...?
Post by: Hawken on December 27, 2016, 10:07:18 PM
Quote from: "sse"
QuoteMy personal like is KIK 2FWhere are you getting that from these days?
Powder Inc.
Post by: sse on December 27, 2016, 10:47:31 PM
Quote from: "Hawken"
Thanks.Quote from: "sse"QuoteMy personal like is KIK 2FWhere are you getting that from these days?
Powder Inc.
Post by: Muley on December 28, 2016, 08:43:15 AM
100 grns SwissFFF
1937 fps
1978 fps
100 grns GoexFFF
1681 fps
1729 fps
90 grns SwissFFF
1858 fps
1894 fps
90 grns GoexFFF
1571 fps
1636 fps
1666 fps
80 grns SwissFFF
1747 fps
1803 fps
80 grns GoexFFF
1490 fps
1531 fps
70 grns SwissFFF
1649 fps
1715 fps
70 grns GoexFFF
1412 fps
1443 fps
60 grns SwissFFF
1566 fps
1593 fps
60 grns GoexFFF
1270 fps
1361 fps
Post by: Lonewolfe20 on December 28, 2016, 07:09:22 PM
Thanks for all the insight guys hopefully I'll be able to shoot a little tomorrow weather has been warmer here
Hope all have a great new years
Post by: Ohio Joe on December 28, 2016, 09:20:51 PM
Quote from: "Lonewolfe20"
Nice info Muley
Thanks for all the insight guys hopefully I'll be able to shoot a little tomorrow weather has been warmer here
Hope all have a great new years
I'd like to get out myself for a little shooting Lonewolfe20, but that darn system that went through on Christmas Eve/Day, just simply put a damper on that, and I just can't catch a break with high wind. I can hardly wait for Spring to show up. I guess in the mean time I'll order a little powder.
Post by: Lonewolfe20 on December 29, 2016, 02:16:12 AM
Warm is a relative term
I do believe it will be around 20 or so but the wind has been brutal here as well
Post by: Uncle Russ on December 29, 2016, 02:37:45 AM
Quote from: "Lonewolfe20"
I hear you Ohio Joe
Warm is a relative term
I do believe it will be around 20 or so but the wind has been brutal here as well
I fully understand those weather problems! :oops:
Everything that ain't busted is frozen solid, and it looks another two weeks of the same nonsense.
This has been a really, realy, hard winter on me personally. I just can't take the cold like I used to. It seems to bother my old bones, makes the joints hard to move.
Kicked back in my recliner, with my feet up to the stove, a dog in my lap, and a glass of Scotch in my hand seems to work pretty well to overcome this situation, but I know Mama Bear ain't going let me have too many days like that!
You good folks stay safe, and warm!
Uncle Russ...
Post by: Ohio Joe on December 29, 2016, 08:37:32 AM
Quote from: "RussB"
Kicked back in my recliner, with my feet up to the stove, a dog in my lap, and a glass of Scotch in my hand seems to work pretty well to overcome this situation, but I know Mama Bear ain't going let me have too many days like that! :lt th
Post by: sse on December 29, 2016, 11:25:33 PM
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This has been a really, realy, hard winter on me personally. I just can't take the cold like I used to. It seems to bother my old bones, makes the joints hard to move.What? Uncle Russ a decrepit ole potlicker...? I aint believin that...!
Kicked back in my recliner, with my feet up to the stove, a dog in my lap, and a glass of Scotch in my hand seems to work pretty well to overcome this situation, but I know Mama Bear ain't going let me have too many days like that!
You good folks stay safe, and warm!
Uncle Russ...
Post by: windwalker_au on December 29, 2016, 11:37:08 PM
Bernie
Post by: Bigsmoke on December 30, 2016, 12:00:13 AM
Muley, I'd sure be interested in knowing what kind of rifle you were using and what kind of chronograph you were using to get those results. Seems like I did some side by side comparisons myself maybe 15 years ago or so, and I didn't get anything nearly to drastically different like you showed. IIRC the Swiss was a little hotter than the others, but nowhere that much. Interesting. As a side note, I was working with a .72 caliber rifle and running loads up to 200 grains and I didn't worry much about plinking charges. Could explain the difference in results I was experiencing?
John
PS Happy New Year, all.