Post by: McBullett on February 27, 2017, 01:35:08 PM
I have been researching the wedge tent. Under many names, the form can be tracked back a long ways. Even AJM has them covered but I have found nothing covering 2 doors. Pro or con. Now, don't get me wrong, I love my oilskin fly, but I'd like to have a wedge handy. One door makes sense. 2 doors in hot weather makes sense. But I want to stay "era"... ugh
Thoughts or ideas???
Bullet
Post by: rollingb on February 27, 2017, 04:13:51 PM
Quote from: "McBullett"
When I started as a mountaineer, I used what I could for information (70's) to build my persona. I have come along ways to try and do it right. I'm not quite AMM right, but dang close.I'm pretty sure "flaps at both ends" of a wedge tent isn't a recent 20th.-21st. century development. :)
I have been researching the wedge tent. Under many names, the form can be tracked back a long ways. Even AJM has them covered but I have found nothing covering 2 doors. Pro or con. Now, don't get me wrong, I love my oilskin fly, but I'd like to have a wedge handy. One door makes sense. 2 doors in hot weather makes sense. But I want to stay "era"... ugh
Thoughts or ideas???
Bullet
Post by: McBullett on February 27, 2017, 05:58:47 PM
Brad
Post by: Ohio Joe on February 27, 2017, 09:52:14 PM
Planning Camp (http://redfeathertrader.com/mountain-men/planning-camp-2017/)
Post by: McBullett on February 28, 2017, 12:28:50 AM
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Post by: rollingb on February 28, 2017, 01:54:01 AM
Quote from: "McBullett"
EXACTLY Ohio Joe! I have seen that set up before. I'd sure like clarification before cutting the back out of my tent.If it's "good enough" for the AMM,............ :shake :rt th
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I'm sure the mountaineers often "modified" whatever they wanted to suit their personal tastes, without concern for answerin' to anyone.
Post by: Ohio Joe on February 28, 2017, 08:08:59 AM
The approach is pretty simple, simplistic, nothing fancy. A wedge tent with no extra frills should past muster easily.
Post by: Spotted Bull on February 28, 2017, 09:05:40 AM
Post by: McBullett on February 28, 2017, 10:26:41 AM
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Post by: amm1851 on February 28, 2017, 10:50:19 PM
Quote from: "McBullett"
You guys definitely give food for thought. I appreciate it! 2 doors gives you a better escape option, although a sharp knife is handier. Gets you a breeze option, although gives a better chance for leakage during bad weather. 2 doors also allows your tent to dry faster. Any AMMers out there? I'd appreciate your thoughts?
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I am a former member of the AMM, and I speak only for myself, even when I was a member, but I guess the answer to your question starts, as so many answers do, with "It depends."
If you are at a juried event and the ground rules clearly state that only documented practices from the time period are acceptable, then good manners dictates complying with those rules. If you don't want to comply, then simply don't go. I have never been to an event like this, but I have been to two AMM nationals, several brigade gatherings and countless party doin's, and I never had anybody come poking around my camp checking up on me. Given the sort of men attracted to the AMM, such a procedure would be particularly perilous to the one doing the checking. Most of us do our best and try to accept that others are doing their best, too, and leave it at that. It is a process, and we all hope to get better over time.
If you are at a less-formal gathering or off by yourself, it matters less what others think and more on what you are trying to accomplish. Some would say only documented practices should be followed, even then, but I do not believe most people back then spent much time writing down their daily activities. Most people were illiterate or barely literate, and just making a living took most of people's time and energy. Much of what they did is lost to history because of that.
I do believe that the frontiersmen and mountain men were highly capable, intelligent and creative problem-solvers, as well as being supremely adaptable. If you employ period-correct tools and technology, and use your own sense to solve a problem, or adapt to a situation, then I see nothing wrong with that.
Those are my thoughts on the matter, and probably not worth much, but you asked.
Post by: Ohio Joe on February 28, 2017, 11:09:26 PM
Post by: McBullett on March 01, 2017, 09:57:41 AM
. Adapt and over come so to speak. Deal with the issue with what you have. I appreciate all of your inputs. My wedge will have 2 doors. That leaves adaptability for the use. Take the high trail..
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Post by: rollingb on March 01, 2017, 01:35:29 PM
Post by: Ohio Joe on March 01, 2017, 06:13:01 PM
Quote from: "rollingb"
My previous personal opinions concerning this topic, are also shared as a former AMM member. FWIW
I was almost certain and a thinkin' you were AMM, Rondo.
Post by: McBullett on March 01, 2017, 08:29:11 PM
Quote from: "rollingb"
My previous personal opinions concerning this topic, are also shared as a former AMM member. FWIWAnd.. my thanks to you sir! I won't lie.. I had to look up FWIW
Brad
Post by: blackpowderbill on March 07, 2017, 07:54:17 PM
Post by: Sir Michael on March 08, 2017, 01:51:18 AM
My other tent has two doors and they are very handy with it is really hot.
Post by: McBullett on March 08, 2017, 12:19:05 PM
Quote from: "Sir Michael"
I ordered a British Bell Tent (Duke of York Tent) and when they finished it they told me they made a mistake and put a second door in it which they'd sell me for the same price as a single door (a second door costs extra) I would take it. I said no since I had and still have not documentation of this style tent with more than one door so they built me another with one door. I still kick myself for not taking the second door.
My other tent has two doors and they are very handy with it is really hot.
Sir Michael, I searched for months for documentation. Without a doubt, we KNOW there was one door. Kansas summer heat can be unbearable. Some of my camps are treeless. (I do several museum/school/living history events)
I pondered on it long and hard. I sewed a wedge with one door, but stumbled onto a good deal through Crescent City Sutler, and ordered a wedge with 2 doors. I have become a canvas whore now LOL.. I have tents for all occasions, but plan on using my diamond fly as my go too.
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Post by: Loyalist Dave on April 06, 2017, 11:18:49 AM
Now you can always check with the tent makers, although remember they are in the business of making and selling tents..., and ask for their information on the origin of their design. Tentsmiths, for example has a bunch of both bell backed and not bell backed wedge tents, that they attribute to the 18th century. You might get a lead on an example of a double door wedge tent from them. They are, after all, a lot more comfortable in sweltering weather.
Pros - can be opened to vent the air heated within, during the day.
The raised portion can serve as a tiny fly in wet weather for a couple of occupants.
If you need to expand, you can add a second such tent, butted up against the "back door" of the first, giving you twice the interior space. A small piece of canvas, fashioned to overlap by a few inches where the tents are butted up prevents any water leakage when it rains.
Cons - you have a back door through which somebody might gain access to your gear inside while you are absent. A lot of wedge tents are set up so the front is readily seen but the rear portion, not so much...,
You have to be sure any and all non-historic items are concealed when you open the tent up to vent it.
You will need two additional poles, plus lines and stakes to open it up like a fly....
NOTE, you probably will want a ten that is at least 7' tall, and really 8' tall is even better (if you're allowed) giving you enough head room to stand within the tent. IF you have a lady in camp who is dressing, she will appreciate being able to stand while dressing.
LD