Traditional Muzzleloading Association
Shooting Traditional Firearms and Weapons => General Interest => Topic started by: Smokey on November 07, 2018, 12:48:21 PM
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Hi.
I’m new here. I’m trying to select a gunmaker to build a French fusil.
When interviewing a builder, what questions should I be asking and, of course, what info should I be getting from the builder?
Also, what do you look for in a gun maker? Thanks.
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Smokey,.... first let me welcome you to our TMA site. :shake
As for naming names of a good gun builder, please be aware there are quite a few who would and could build you a French Fusil, I won't mention names because some else will surely feel slighted if their name isn't mentioned (and I want to avoid that).
I'd suggest you visit the American LongRifles Forum, and post your questions there, just state what you're wanting built along with how much money you're willing to pay, and you should get numerous PM's (private messages). Just be careful if you get a message from someone with the initials JB, as his builds can often be disappointing (although his prices are very attractive).
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Thank you for welcoming me, rollingb.
To be clear, I'm not looking for names of builders. Rather, I need advice on how to select a builder, after I've identified a couple of candidates.
What do people here look for when selecting a gun maker?
What questions do you ask the maker when deciding whether to hire them?
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Thank you for welcoming me, rollingb.
To be clear, I'm not looking for names of builders. Rather, I need advice on how to select a builder, after I've identified a couple of candidates.
What do people here look for when selecting a gun maker?
What questions do you ask the maker when deciding whether to hire them?
Smokey,.... I'm sorry I'm not much help as I've either build my own guns, bought semi-custom guns, or bought upper-end guns from other people.
A fella by the name of Prairie Dog had a rifle built not too long ago, maybe he'll notice this thread and will give you some pointers regarding your questions. :bl th up
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Thank you again, RolingB.
I’ve got a couple of possible candidates picked out. Question is, how to decide which maker is best for me.
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Avoid Jackie Brown. :Doh!
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Jackie Brown. “JB”.
Is this an inside joke or is there really a builder named JB I should avoid? Such a person is not even on my radar so, not really an issue.
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JB = Jackie Brown
No personal experience with him, but there have been problems associated with his builds.
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Jackie Brown. “JB”.
Is this an inside joke or is there really a builder named JB I should avoid? Such a person is not even on my radar so, not really an issue.
Just be careful if you get a message from someone with the initials JB, as his builds can often be disappointing (although his prices are very attractive).
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Jackie Brown. “JB”.
Is this an inside joke or is there really a builder named JB I should avoid? Such a person is not even on my radar so, not really an issue.
My experience with him was no laughing matter.
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Alex Efremenko is the go to French gun guy.
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Thanks, Ken.
Have you ever bought a gun from Alex?
Has anyone here ordered from Alex? How was the experience? How did the gun turn out.
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Smokey,.... one of the things you can bank on is, if Alex Efremenko wasn't a reputable builder or had any dissatisfied customers, those of us who are heavily into the sport of traditional muzzleloading would have surely heard about it. Word travels fast in our little circle. :bl th up
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Thanks. RollingB. Makes sense.
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It depends on how much you want to pay, most of the builders have websites with pictures, the good ones have a long waiting list.
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Well everyone. Your replies are helpful and I’ve been able to identify some possible candidates but, I still would like someone to respond to my original question, please.
When interviewing a builder, what questions should I be asking and, of course, what info should I be getting from the builder?
Thanks.
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if i may, it isn't so much what questions to ask a potential builder of yer gun, it's examining his track record and that's done mostly via asking around for public opinions of potential builders. for example, take jackie brown. his horribly sordid reputation follows him around whenever his name pops up, and for goodly reason. he is to be avoided like the plague.
for a gun build, you might be interested in the overall gun's design with respect to era/period correctness. there are degrees of "correct build", there are also degrees of what one would *think* such a gun would look like and how it's to be built. not too many 18th century firearms exist and we can always wonder just what we're missing. whatever the design, next up are components selection - stock, barrel, lock, trigger, and all the appropriate furniture. discussing ALL the parameters of the build with a gunmaker is Extremely important - what goes where and why, embellishments, design accoutrements and carvings and inlays (if desired). lastly is the build time. add all that up in terms of co$t and you may need to sit down to hear the bottom line. :o :)
there are are more than a few avenues of pursuit when you've got a gun build in mind. the first is to seek out an already built gun, either new or used. do this mainly by cruising the classifieds in trad muzzleloader forums. another approach is to check in with "commercial" builders such as tennessee valley muzzleloaders, or tenessee valley manufacturing. then there are the Many one-on-one gunmakers - pick up a copy of muzzleloader magazine and view all the ads. and finally, build it or finish it yerself. kit guns can come in a variety of modes of disassembly, based on your ability to put them together. a way to save money is to order out a pre-built "in-the-white" gun that's ready to load and shoot but needs it's wood finished with some stain and clear coat.
ain't all this stuff fun?! :applaud :wave :*:
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In addition to what Rob has mentioned, the builder will probably be the one asking you questions,.... such as your choice of wood, barrel length, barrel weight, right or left hand, cast off, LOP, hardware preference (brass or iron), prefered finish of the wood, prefered finish of the metal, touch hole liner or simple drilled vent, and etc. etc.
When dealing with a builder whose specialty is building "historically correct" guns, a lot of the above "options" can be much more limited in order to stay within the "historically correct" perimeters, and may be even narrowed down to simply the LOP of your choice.
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Thank you! That DOES help.
What you’re saying confirms some of what I knew AND provides some new info. Much appreciated.
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I have built custom bolt rifles for myself and others, put together a few muzzleloader "kits", rebuilt / restored a couple of old CVA and Deer Creek kit guns and now own a NorthStar West Chiefs gun, recently had a full blown custom Lancaster rifle built and currently have a builder working on a "real" Hawken.
First thing I would suggest is; know exactly what you want. If you want an historically correct for a time period gun; research, research, and research. If you don't know what is correct and what is not you won't have the knowledge required to select a gun builder who does.
Second thing is to write a list of every detail you want from muzzle crown to butt plate.
Third and most important; choose a builder who loves building the style of gun you want. The Fellow who built my Lancaster can build anything, but he LOVES building Lancaster rifles and boy does that show in the finished rifle!
My Hawken is being built by someone else. This Guy loves Hawken rifles, shoots his own at rendezvous, builds them for others, but not just anyone, knows them inside and out and his work is outstanding.
Narrow down your choice of builders by looking at as many samples of their work as possible and talk to the folks who are shooting them. Then talk with those builders about your intended project. If the guy isn't excited about building the style of gun you want forget about him and choose a builder who is. I don't care how well known a builder is or how popular his work is, if he can't get excited about building the gun YOU want his best work isn't going into it.
Communication is very important. I talked with three builders about my Chiefs gun. I choose NorthStar West because Matt seamed eager to build the gun I wanted. I was undecided on barrel length and a few minor details but Matt listened and suggested which options would be best for the gun I wanted (ballance, length of pull, historical accuracy etc) and I am very happy with the gun. Another well known maker did not listen and seemed to just want to sell what he had on hand. The third didn't seem to want to talk at all.
I'm not the most knowledgeable guy around but I've had good success getting exactly what I wanted in my custom builds. Good luck with yours.
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Thanks, Prairie Dog. Your guidance is appreciated.