Post by: Ohio Joe on November 23, 2008, 07:00:31 PM
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Post by: Spotted Bull on November 23, 2008, 08:19:52 PM
Post by: Ohio Joe on November 23, 2008, 08:31:14 PM
Quote from: "Roaring Bull"
With all of the videos of people doing it wrong, it's nice to see that someone is doing it right.
Amen to that Roaring Bull!
Post by: Uncle Russ on November 23, 2008, 09:37:44 PM
Quote from: "Ohio Joe"
Quote from: "Roaring Bull"With all of the videos of people doing it wrong, it's nice to see that someone is doing it right.
Amen to that Roaring Bull!
Folks, In case you didn't know who that fella is, that's our very own Pete Sherran , a member from Cheney, Washington.
Good job Pete!!
Uncle Russ...
Post by: Spotted Bull on November 23, 2008, 09:48:54 PM
Post by: Three Hawks on November 23, 2008, 10:28:00 PM
1. No ear protection.
2. No eye protection.
I can hear it coming........... "What's the big deal? Nothing happened."
That time. It only takes once for blind, and deaf is cumulative. Not a good thing to teach the young'uns.
Three Hawks.
Post by: Ohio Joe on November 23, 2008, 10:58:09 PM
Quote from: "RussB"
Quote from: "Ohio Joe"Quote from: "Roaring Bull"With all of the videos of people doing it wrong, it's nice to see that someone is doing it right.
Amen to that Roaring Bull! :bl th up
Three Hawks, you do bring up a good point.
Post by: oomcurt on November 24, 2008, 01:03:17 AM
Re hearing and eye protection... I don't. I have been shooting and hunting since I was 17, I am now 70. Granted, shooting a 300 Win mag at a range one would certainly wish to use some ear protection, especially if the shooting was done under a covered firing line. That said...with muzzleloading I feel it is up to the individual. Never yet have I seen or heard of anyone who was hunting wearing any ear protection, nor eye protection while hunting. While at a range, I believe it is optional. Can something happen...I suppose.....one can get hit with a car crossing a street...but people do it every day. I truly fail to see the need for all this "safety" stuff. If someone wishes to wear it...fine. The main reason why and how all this got started, imo, was the insurance angle. Period. For all the years folks have been using muzzleloaders...hunting, shooting matches...you name it...from the time this country was settled....they never has hearing protection..eye protection...I guess there might have been some that did...but overall....I doubt it. Seems to me...most if not all of this safety stuff originated because of people like Nader and his kind.
Just my two cents.....
Post by: rollingb on November 24, 2008, 02:35:00 AM
Post by: vermontfreedom on November 27, 2008, 07:53:53 PM
But, I agree - hearing protection and eye protection should be optional, just like helmets and seatbelts.
If adults want to lose their sight and hearing and ... lives for that matter, they should be allowed to. I mean, we don't prevent people like Eval Kneival and these bungee divers and other extreme sport folks from doing what they do - taking your life in your hand should be a personal choice.
I just hope my tax dollars don't help pay for the surgeries and hearing aids and so forth when things don't go all the way.
Then there's always the 'benefit' of the "Darwin Award" effect: http://www.darwinawards.com/ (http://www.darwinawards.com/)
Post by: Captchee on November 27, 2008, 09:30:07 PM
i dont wear ear plugs eather or for that mater goggles when i shoot my muzzleloaders . now my centerfires yes . .
if im target shooting . but muzzleloaders , no
2 thumbs up from me Pete
Post by: Puffer on November 30, 2008, 10:37:15 AM
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Post by: AxelP on December 01, 2008, 08:40:53 AM
Post by: SAWMA on December 01, 2008, 11:51:29 AM
Post by: Puffer on December 01, 2008, 12:03:33 PM
Quote from: "SAWMA"
Huh? I didn't hear ya. High frequency hearing loss due to, too many ka-booms, and thats the truth!
DITTO
In "my day" ear protection was not the norm ( US Army, LEO etc.) In fact I remember sticking "cig butts in my ears, when they started "hurting"
Puffer
Post by: Voyageur on December 01, 2008, 12:21:06 PM
Post by: Spotted Bull on December 01, 2008, 12:49:43 PM
Quote from: "Three Hawks"
He's doing two things I haven't got the stones to try.
1. No ear protection.
2. No eye protection.
I can hear it coming........... "What's the big deal? Nothing happened."
That time. It only takes once for blind, and deaf is cumulative. Not a good thing to teach the young'uns.
Three Hawks.
When we have our monthly kids shoots, no person whether adult or child is allowed to touch a weapon without both firmly in place. I use them target shooting and hunting.
Post by: Puffer on December 01, 2008, 01:16:23 PM
IMHO, the GREATEST thing out there are the "in ear electronics". esp if your "modern hunting rifle has a muzzel brake")
Puffer
Post by: rollingb on December 01, 2008, 03:06:50 PM
MHO is,... that the wearing of ear (and eye) protection, should be one of "PERSONAL CHOICE", and not something thats forced upon folks enjoying an activity thats been in existance for over 200 years.
There is quite a difference between shooting modern smokeless "MAGNUM" handguns (and rifles), when compared to the relatively "soft spoken" traditional muzzleloaders shooting blackpowder. This is very evident by the lack of recoil from muzzleloaders when compared to simular caliburs of smokeless centerfire guns.
If, I ever go to a "blackpowder shoot" and someone DEMANDS that I must wear ear (and eye) "protection" before I can participate,... I'm gettin right back on my horse, and riding someplace where FREEDOM of choice is still the "rule". :rt th
This is my personal opinion ONLY,... but, I completely fail to understand "HOW" my NOT wearing ear and eye protection, effects ANYONE'S eyes and ears but "mine", and if I wasn't comfortable without it, I'd darn sure wear it.
Post by: Puffer on December 01, 2008, 03:31:09 PM
Quote from: "rollingb"
If, I ever go to a "blackpowder shoot" and someone DEMANDS that I must wear ear (and eye) "protection" before I can participate,... I'm gettin right back on my horse, and riding someplace where FREEDOM of choice is still the "rule". :!:
Puffer
Post by: Captchee on December 01, 2008, 03:37:56 PM
today you also lose hearing from the radio in you car . wind blowing in your hair while on that bike
you name it , its there .
try thinking about all those medium sounds you here all day long , constantly .
Post by: Spotted Bull on December 01, 2008, 03:40:47 PM
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Post by: Captchee on December 01, 2008, 03:44:41 PM
Post by: Puffer on December 01, 2008, 03:52:42 PM
Quote from: "Captchee"
ahhhh a super Mike . ya now your talkin :rofl
Puffer
Post by: rollingb on December 01, 2008, 04:04:37 PM
I was the OTL, MD, and CC at my monthly shoots in Alaska, and we had "zero" problems,... and some of the participants drove over 200 miles each month to come and shoot.
Anyone participating in a shoot held on "club" grounds, and under the "umbrella" of NMLRA, or NRA, insurance,.... will have to jump thru their hoops in order to be covered.
That's not for me, there's too many other places to "play".
Post by: Voyageur on December 01, 2008, 04:08:59 PM
Post by: Ohio Joe on December 01, 2008, 09:41:02 PM
My son uses it because I tell him he has to, and while he's a minor under my roof he'll do as I say when it comes to protecting his hearing and eyesight when shooting. When he's an adult he can make up his own mind on the subject.
If I go to a shoot where it's required to wear ear & eye protection, I'll go back to my vehicle and get it and wear it, and enjoy the day.
If I go to a shoot where ear & eye protection is not allowed, I'll leave, even if I don't use it myself. I figure if it's a safety issue under question and folks want nothing to do with it, I have to wonder who's standing behind me with a loaded rifle primed and cocked waiting to get to the line to shoot simply because other safety issues have been pushed aside.
All I can say is make your own judgement calls and hope it's the right one.
Post by: Puffer on December 02, 2008, 12:04:52 PM
Quote from: "Ohio Joe"
I've got no problem if folks choose to wear ear and eye protection, that's there business. I personally don't use it and that's my business.
My son uses it because I tell him he has to, and while he's a minor under my roof he'll do as I say when it comes to protecting his hearing and eyesight when shooting. When he's an adult he can make up his own mind on the subject.
If I go to a shoot where it's required to wear ear & eye protection, I'll go back to my vehicle and get it and wear it, and enjoy the day.
If I go to a shoot where ear & eye protection is not allowed, I'll leave, even if I don't use it myself. I figure if it's a safety issue under question and folks want nothing to do with it, I have to wonder who's standing behind me with a loaded rifle primed and cocked waiting to get to the line to shoot simply because other safety issues have been pushed aside.
All I can say is make your own judgement calls and hope it's the right one.
Puffer
Post by: Puffer on December 02, 2008, 12:33:37 PM
As I mentioned before, 2 yr.s ago, I was CRSO for PPR. (eyes & ears req.)
I was positioned about 30 yd.s away from position 1 on the trail walk, when I saw a man & 4 youth approaching the position. I could not see any "eyes" on anyone, so I started to move in. But I soon found out that I did not have to say anything. WHY"
I had not taken more than a couple of steps, when I saw one of the shooters ( an "OLD TIMER") approach the group. I did not hear what he said, but the "adult", with a "raised' voice" basically told the "OLD TIMER" to "stuff It."
The next thing I heard was a Cease Fire & Dry them Up, from the Line. As I got to the "group, I was joined by 4 other shooters (also "old timers") & told that they would handle it. They then gave him the option to either get eyes & ears or forgetting about shooting "THEIR" range.
I was told, "Puffer, you may be the "official RSO" but Range Safety is all of our' responsibility. We may not personally agree with the "eyes & ears" for us adults, but thems the rules PLUS the youth NEED them.
Puffer
Post by: rollingb on December 03, 2008, 02:15:00 AM
I suspect it's mostly a matter of "liability" for some of the ranges, but with all the blackpowder shoots I've participated in over many many years, NONE have ever required "eyes and ears", nor did they forbid them.
Like I said in my first post, I think such a (mandatory) requirement is heading down a "slippery slope", and just takes us another small step away from really true "traditional" muzzleloading.
Modern high power centerfires are a different story, and I agree with such a requirement when on a crowded range with them.
Post by: oomcurt on December 03, 2008, 02:17:41 PM
Ok, I'm over my rant.....
Post by: Spotted Bull on December 03, 2008, 03:08:52 PM
Boy those sure are some informative videos, aren't they???
Post by: rollingb on December 11, 2008, 08:44:37 AM
Quote from: "Puffer"
Here is a story.
As I mentioned before, 2 yr.s ago, I was CRSO for PPR. (eyes & ears req.)
I was positioned about 30 yd.s away from position 1 on the trail walk, when I saw a man & 4 youth approaching the position. I could not see any "eyes" on anyone, so I started to move in. But I soon found out that I did not have to say anything. WHY"
I had not taken more than a couple of steps, when I saw one of the shooters ( an "OLD TIMER") approach the group. I did not hear what he said, but the "adult", with a "raised' voice" basically told the "OLD TIMER" to "stuff It."
The next thing I heard was a Cease Fire & Dry them Up, from the Line. As I got to the "group, I was joined by 4 other shooters (also "old timers") & told that they would handle it. They then gave him the option to either get eyes & ears or forgetting about shooting "THEIR" range.
I was told, "Puffer, you may be the "official RSO" but Range Safety is all of our' responsibility. We may not personally agree with the "eyes & ears" for us adults, but thems the rules PLUS the youth NEED them.
Puffer
"If you see a man approaching you with the obvious intent of doing you good, you should run for your life." Henry David Thoreau